Yeah, the issue isn't about Dwight Howard. Millsap is headed for free agency. Other teams think he'll get 4 years / $40M+.
In light of the Howard trade - Jefferson VS Millsap
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Regardless of the Howard trade, what's your vote?
If we have to choose between keeping Millsap and Jefferson, I'd keep Jefferson, as I think Millsap is the easier player to replace. Favors is the starting PF and Marvin Williams (who is actually bigger than Millsap) can replace a lot of what Millsap does from the SF spot. I like Millsap and would prefer to keep him as a 6th-man if he's open to that--he'd do well playing harder for fewer minutes and going against 2nd-string players. But he's probably going to get paid to be someone's starter.
Edit: I wouldn't make a final decision on this until I'm confident that Kanter is going to give me a double-double and score efficiently. We have 4 bigs in our front court and should really only pay to keep 3 of them. There is still a possibility that Kanter is the odd man out, and Favors can play some minutes at C alongside Millsap.
Yes I agree with your analysis on Millsap/Jefferson situation. It'll be interesting to see how Jefferson progress this year with all the shooters around him & pairing him with Favors permanently to develop chemistry. Jefferson was quoted last year as saying that he's motivated to play better defense when he watched how Favors/Kanter play defense.
On Kanter: I believe KOC sees last year as Kanter's "College Year" - just because he missed so much basketball the year before. This coming season should really be his "Rookie Year" IMO. So it'll be a while before he can contribute consistently - probably in 2 years' time at the earliest.
Stifle Tower
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Because I think Jefferson/Favors is the best starting option and I'd like to see Millsap as a 6th-man of the year candidate. I don't think Kanter is going to be ready for 25-30 mins/per for a couple more years (if ever). Hope I'm wrong, but I think Enes develops into a good sub, but just a so-so starter.
Other reason I'd want both to stay is that the 4/5 rotation is currently a strength for Utah. Lose one or both and suddenly KOC has to use an asset to get another big. Keep both and KOC can concentrate on combining assets to get a future stud PG.
In the end though, I think Millsap will leave for greener pastures and Jefferson will stay.
orangello
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I fear this is true.
Alright.. thanks..
Next question: Is that the guy from the "Stay Thirsty My Friend" Ad?
DutchJazzer
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holy crap 40% of the boards like the loser.
ooh noos spurs are unbeatable.
ooh noos we lost 4-0 even though game 1 hasnt started
ooh noos spurs are unbeatable.
ooh noos we lost 4-0 even though game 1 hasnt started
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I voted for Big Al. (Keeping him that is)
TheSilencer1313
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Talk about an absolutely rediculous frontcourt.
Bynum and Favors, backed up by Kanter, Evans..... and maybe Big Fes in garbage time??
theNBAnerd
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oh come on, that's ridiculous. sap is twice the defender al is, it's just that he's guarding nowitzki, duncan, aldridge and love while jefferson is guarding haywood, blair, przybilla and pekovica. the league -- and ESPECIALLY the western conference -- is deep with stud power forwards right now, while most teams have a stiff at center.
As good as Millsap is, he's just outmatched at the PF in the WC... all the more reasons to play Favors at PF and keep Al at C rather than spending big bucks on Millsap.
theNBAnerd
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so that favors can be outmatched by power forward in the WC, right?
look, it's just a reality, that is a STACKED position in this conference, no matter who is playing there. and paul isn't "outmatched" -- he frequently limits his opponent to something south of usual production, but it still looks bad if you're just judging based on net production by position because subpar for dirk is still a hell of a lot better than above average for brendan haywood.
paul is a very good one-on-one post defender, and is MILES ahead of al in terms of team defensive adherence.
I don't know about you but I'd rather put Favors against Nowitzki, Duncan, Aldridge and Love. To me Favors has a much better chance guarding against these guys than Millsap (remember what Favors did in the playoffs against the Spurs?). So yes I'd choose Favors over Millsap in that situation 10 times out of 10.
theNBAnerd
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sure, on defense... but that's not really what we're arguing here.
what we're arguing is do we want to send derrick+sap into action or derrick+al? that's what this thread is about.derrick's in the picture either way, and i think the offensive/defensive capabilities of derrick+sap are going to make us a better team than derrick+al.
Scorpjazz
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So, you are saying Sap is a better defender that just doesnt show because he has tough people to guard?
So, in theory, if he were to guard lesser players, he would be better.
But, since he is undersized at PF, or too slow at SF, then he does, in fact get beat by the people he has to guard.
If he were that good, then guarding "stud" PF wouldnt be such a task, since he would be showing that he is also a "stud" PF, which he clearly is not.
Help D is where he IS, however, excellent. It also makes people over inflate his overall defensive skills, which, when on the ball vs his guy, is less than stellar.
theNBAnerd
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my suggestion isn't to have him guard lesser players. my suggestion is for fans to cut him some slack and realize that his net production by position looks that way because he is guarding better players than al is. he should continue to guard the dirks, paus and lamarcuses of the world because he's a far better defender than al... and if he's paired with favors in the starting frontcourt, our overall defense will be much, much better.