Nice. I agree. At least Favors will make the most difference in terms of wins and losses.
"In retrospect, King won the Williams' trade in a landslide."
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Nice. I agree. At least Favors will make the most difference in terms of wins and losses.
I do realize it was a fairly weak draft class, and a ton of international guys early on but I think we should have traded down to grab a PG. I know Knight and Walker aren't looking too promising but I think with so many big men already we should have gone that route.
Gyp Rosetti
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Don't sleep on Knight. Dude's a baller and the Pistons finished solidly last year after starting off God awful. While his shooting has sucked, he's learning how to become more of a true point and averaged something like 7+ assists in the summer league.
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Brown Notes
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There is no retrospect. Deron signed so they got that going for them. When they start winning they can start talking. Those guys were watching us play last time somebody was on the court.
orangello
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This has been mentioned but no one has gotten into this. For the Jazz this trade is still incomplete because of the GSW pick. Who will the Jazz get with that? Will hey package that and something else to land another stud?
Even with this being incomplete for the Jazz they ended last season with a better record and made the playoffs despite not having a superstar/closer. At this current moment if we were to put the current starting line up of the Jazz (Williams, Hayward, Williams, Millsap and Favors (yes, I went there)) against the starting line up of the Nets (Williams, Johnson, Wallace, Humphries and Lopez), I would say the Jazz would certainly hold their own if not win that battle. Take in the fact that the Jazz have a better bench and suddenly you realize that maybe Brooklyn has not won this trade, and certainly not by a landslide.
One more thing, if you compare the payroll you soon realize that the Jazz will be making additional money (possibly in the millions of dollars) off of the Nets. Hard to see how Brooklyn won in this trade at all.
Even with this being incomplete for the Jazz they ended last season with a better record and made the playoffs despite not having a superstar/closer. At this current moment if we were to put the current starting line up of the Jazz (Williams, Hayward, Williams, Millsap and Favors (yes, I went there)) against the starting line up of the Nets (Williams, Johnson, Wallace, Humphries and Lopez), I would say the Jazz would certainly hold their own if not win that battle. Take in the fact that the Jazz have a better bench and suddenly you realize that maybe Brooklyn has not won this trade, and certainly not by a landslide.
One more thing, if you compare the payroll you soon realize that the Jazz will be making additional money (possibly in the millions of dollars) off of the Nets. Hard to see how Brooklyn won in this trade at all.
blackham9258
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The trade may be summed up over the next 5 years based upon, playoff appearances, games played and series won. The Jazz already have a 1 series played advantage. I personally don't see NJ being a top 2 team as currently constituted so they will be a 2nd round exit in all likelihood for most of the years of Deron. If they get D Howard then they win for sure, but until then it is a wash.
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The Nets are lucky DWill resigned otherwise it would have been one of the most lopsided trades in NBA History. I still consider the Jazz the 'winner' of the trade (Even though both teams 'won') because...
A) I think Favors is going to become the best player in this trade.
B) D-Will hasn't proven that he can carry a team by himself. In fact, The Nets have been horrible since the DWill trade.
C) Dwight will probably become a Laker. Meaning that the Nets will not have a 'big three' and will probably not be able to get past the Heat, or Celtics. In other words, they are not a championship caliber team.
D)Devin Harris did not do great for the Jazz, but we flipped him for Marvin Williams. Who, in all likelyhood, will become the starting small forward on the Jazz for awhile.
E)Its too early to tell how the assets of Enes Kanter and GS Pick turn out. I still have high hopes for Kanter.
F) I would rather build an NBA team around a Big (Favors) then a point guard (Williams).
A) I think Favors is going to become the best player in this trade.
B) D-Will hasn't proven that he can carry a team by himself. In fact, The Nets have been horrible since the DWill trade.
C) Dwight will probably become a Laker. Meaning that the Nets will not have a 'big three' and will probably not be able to get past the Heat, or Celtics. In other words, they are not a championship caliber team.
D)Devin Harris did not do great for the Jazz, but we flipped him for Marvin Williams. Who, in all likelyhood, will become the starting small forward on the Jazz for awhile.
E)Its too early to tell how the assets of Enes Kanter and GS Pick turn out. I still have high hopes for Kanter.
F) I would rather build an NBA team around a Big (Favors) then a point guard (Williams).
Then its a win win situation for both sides, because if we didnt trade D will, we would have been LOST by margin at this point. Instead of having nothing at all, we have Favors and Kanter at least, and the flexibility to load Big Al.(i doubt we will get any good piece in return of him though)
freakazoid
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Were they laughing their asses off?
I don't know what series you watched, but I didn't see anything to brag about.
margodydek
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1) Jazz got rid of a malcontent coach-killer for two starting bigs (eventually), a starting SF (essentially) and a future pick (not to mention $3M) = Win
2) NJ got a "superstar" who decided to stay long-term = Win
3) NJ was still awful last year and will still struggle to win 50 games and is destined to be a 1st or 2nd round exit for the forseeable future = Win
Michael Scott would be proud.
2) NJ got a "superstar" who decided to stay long-term = Win
3) NJ was still awful last year and will still struggle to win 50 games and is destined to be a 1st or 2nd round exit for the forseeable future = Win
Michael Scott would be proud.
oyster
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*then walks over to ex girlfriend, roundhouse kicks boyfriend in the side of his caranium and says "thats what I think bitch" and drives off in Bugatti*
Brown Notes
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Try to find a team that tanked more effectively while trading away their unprotected pick. If you, especially you, think that's a position to be chuckling at Utah, you need to get your head examined, tank commander.
shadler
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Think the nets have to worry about making the playoffs first before they do a lot of talking. Not like they will win more then what the jazz did when they had dwill. They better win because if they don't they are going to have one hell of a disgruntled player on their hand for a long time.
t.work
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New Jersey is also the reason Utah was able to get Mo Williams this year (Mehmet Okur).
Stifle Tower
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So we robbed them twice.New Jersey is also the reason Utah was able to get Mo Williams this year (Mehmet Okur).
On the other hand, when I lived in New York, we used to joke that Jersey was the place where everyone dumped their trash. Utah did it twice.
My apologies to the great people in the Garbage State, I mean Garden State. Seriously, you get away from the cities on the eastern border (Newark, Jersey City, etc.), and the rest of the state is actually quite beautiful.
It's not like they were winning before the trade, or had any near future of being a winning team.
freakazoid
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Jazzfanz. Where bragging about getting swept happens.
Meanwhile, that pathetic Nets team actually ended up with a better road record than Utah. 13-20 compared to our 11-22. They also had a lot of injuries to deal with. But I guess when you're looking through homer glasses, you can be selective with which wins actually count. The comment about winning the trade in a landslide was pretty stupid, but I still find it funny that some people feel the need to puff out their chest and compare the two teams as if Utah was so much better last year. They were not.
That only counts when applying it to Utah.
https://basketball.realgm.com/article/222497/2012_13_NBA_Power_Rankings
Read more: https://basketball.realgm.com/article/222497/2012_13_NBA_Power_Rankings#ixzz21BvrvX9E
Meanwhile, that pathetic Nets team actually ended up with a better road record than Utah. 13-20 compared to our 11-22. They also had a lot of injuries to deal with. But I guess when you're looking through homer glasses, you can be selective with which wins actually count. The comment about winning the trade in a landslide was pretty stupid, but I still find it funny that some people feel the need to puff out their chest and compare the two teams as if Utah was so much better last year. They were not.
That only counts when applying it to Utah.
https://basketball.realgm.com/article/222497/2012_13_NBA_Power_Rankings
Read more: https://basketball.realgm.com/article/222497/2012_13_NBA_Power_Rankings#ixzz21BvrvX9E
margodydek
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Call me old fashioned, but I generally include all the games when I judge a team. I know this goes against the new trend of only looking at road records, but we won 36 out of 66 games last year (.545), while the mighty road warriors of NJ won a total of 22 out of 66 games (.333). Hope you don't mind if I threw in the 33 home games they played. I know they don't matter as much, but I still thought they should be included.