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Is Obama a Natural Born US Citizen?

Is Obama A Natural Born US Citizen?

  • No, I'm a crazy *** birther

    Votes: 2 8.3%

  • Yes, I'm a blind follower

    Votes: 8 33.3%

  • Maybe, but he's hiding something.

    Votes: 5 20.8%

  • Who gives a rat's ***

    Votes: 5 20.8%

  • Whatever Kicky says

    Votes: 4 16.7%
  • Total voters
    24
  • Poll closed .
The Thriller said:
Serious question, aren't you folks at all worried about the radical right giving birth to an isolationist, anti-illegal immigrant, Presidential candidate who can score a ton of votes by declaring himself/herself "different than all the other DC fossils?" A person that will "stand up to foreign powers who want to take our hard earned money." A person that will bring spending "under control." Someone who doesn't hangout with evil pastors and terrorists, and won't "bow" to any foreign leaders? Someone who will start drilling in the gulf and Alaska so we won't have to be ransomed by "terrorists in the middle east?"

Someone like... I dunno... Like a Chris Christie? Someone who says "all the right things" to play on today's emotions and fears?

While the current big name repub Presidential candidates are jokes, Palin, Romney, Huckabee, etc. I'm not so sure that due to Obama's "compromises" instead of sticking to his guns, won't cost him in 2012. A Tea Bagger type, who plays on American Exceptionalism easily could step in and score huge points....

Thoughts?
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I would welcome Christie as the GOP candidate with open arms.

I fixed your immigration comment. It's OK though, most people on the left seem to have a hard time discerning the difference between immigration vs illegal immigration.

Your comment on race is just retarded. I deleted it. Beyond that I have a hard time understanding what is wrong with any of the other "qualifications" that you listed.
 
Gameface said:
Well a form of ID that only said "Male" would not identify me as reliably as one that said "Male/Caucasian, Brown Hair, Brown Eyes" now would it?
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Maybe, but a birth certificate doesn't mention that stuff. At least mine didn't. What's interesting (ok, it's probably not interesting at all) is that I have a California birth certificate because my step-dad adopted me when I was 13. Before I had a US Citizen board abroad certificate, which is somewhere at my parent's house, so it could be my court ordered delayed birth certificate looks different than the standard California one, but I don't think so.

I saw the long form certificate from Hawaii around his time, and I'm not sure what more info it really has over the short form. They both show the date of birth, sex of the child, city of birth, the mother's maiden name, the father's name, and both the mother's and father's race.

The only thing the long form shows is the doctor's name and the hospital's name and and the address of the parents. I fail to see how any of that is relevant to establishing his citizenship, unless it's required to be born in a hospital and delivered by a doctor.
 
Nate505 said:
The only thing the long form shows is the doctor's name and the hospital's name and and the address of the parents. I fail to see how any of that is relevant to establishing his citizenship, unless it's required to be born in a hospital and delivered by a doctor.
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I've read in some places that Obama doesn't want the long form to be released because it states his religion - which (according to the birthers) at the time was Muslim. However I read in other places that the long form doesn't even state the infant's religion; but I'm also inclined to say so the **** what if he was?

For the most part it's just big ********. If he releases the long form the "birthers" will want something else and then claim he's hiding something because he didn't volunteer it.
 
Marcus said:
I would welcome Christie as the GOP candidate with open arms.

I fixed your immigration comment. It's OK though, most people on the left seem to have a hard time discerning the difference between immigration vs illegal immigration.

Your comment on race is just retarded. I deleted it. Beyond that I have a hard time understanding what is wrong with any of the other "qualifications" that you listed.
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This will come across like a joke, but I don't mean it that way. I strongly suggest that you read this. You'll either like it, or be shocked by it because a lot of your views are similar. seriously. It's a free PDF.

https://www.archive.org/details/meinkampf035176mbp
 
Took 8 pages for Godwin's Law to come to fruition.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Took 8 pages for Godwin's Law to come to fruition.
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laugh it off if you want to, but have you read Mein Kampf? Humor can't obscure the fact that Marcus sounds a lot like its pages.... Of course you'd need to read it to say so.

My statement isn't a Glen Beck sort of Nazi anxiety. Read it, you'll see.
 
Let me say one extra bit: nearly 100% of my students over the past three years were absolutely astonished that we were going to read selections from Mein Kampf. Those that would vocalize why they were astonished have, without fail, said that this chapter of history was just too exceptional to worry about it repeating itself; that it was, therefore, simply to be remembered as categorically separate and horrible. Then, they are almost always shocked at how the ideas have continuity with our times. I almost always follow this lecture with stuff that was happening before and after Hitler in Australia (settlers vs. Aboriginals).

FWIW
 
candrew said:
I've read in some places that Obama doesn't want the long form to be released because it states his religion - which (according to the birthers) at the time was Muslim. However I read in other places that the long form doesn't even state the infant's religion; but I'm also inclined to say so the **** what if he was?

For the most part it's just big ********. If he releases the long form the "birthers" will want something else and then claim he's hiding something because he didn't volunteer it.
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Honestly, why would a BC have the religion listed? Thats ridiculous.
 
NAOS said:
Let me say one extra bit: nearly 100% of my students over the past three years were absolutely astonished that we were going to read selections from Mein Kampf. Those that would vocalize why they were astonished have, without fail, said that this chapter of history was just too exceptional to worry about it repeating itself; that it was, therefore, simply to be remembered as categorically separate and horrible. Then, they are almost always shocked at how the ideas have continuity with our times. I almost always follow this lecture with stuff that was happening before and after Hitler in Australia (settlers vs. Aboriginals).

FWIW
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If you've ever read transcripts of the Rwandan radio personalities/hate mongers right before the massacre it sounds like a great deal of it was lifted directly from Mein Kampf. And I seriously doubt many if any of them ever read the book.
 
NAOS said:
Let me say one extra bit: nearly 100% of my students over the past three years were absolutely astonished that we were going to read selections from Mein Kampf. Those that would vocalize why they were astonished have, without fail, said that this chapter of history was just too exceptional to worry about it repeating itself; that it was, therefore, simply to be remembered as categorically separate and horrible. Then, they are almost always shocked at how the ideas have continuity with our times. I almost always follow this lecture with stuff that was happening before and after Hitler in Australia (settlers vs. Aboriginals).

FWIW
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Where do you teach and what do you teach?
 
NAOS said:
For anonymity's sake I'll leave my institution unsaid. Every year, at this time, I teach a seminar on 20th century history from a global POV.
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PM? What do you think of Zinn's People's History of the United States?
 
VINYLONE said:
PM? What do you think of Zinn's People's History of the United States?
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I've never read that book, actually.

I don't mean to be a prick, but I'm gonna keep the school I work for anonymous. I say some boneheaded stuff on here, and I don't want that coming back into my life in some strange way. That sort of thing has happened to some people, in weird and awful ways.
 
NAOS said:
I've never read that book, actually.

I don't mean to be a prick, but I'm gonna keep the school I work for anonymous. I say some boneheaded stuff on here, and I don't want that coming back into my life in some strange way. That sort of thing has happened to some people, in weird and awful ways.
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No worries. Completely understood.
 
hmmmm...

"As long as the Jew has not become the master of the other
peoples, he must, whether he likes it or not, speak their languages,"
 
VINYLONE said:
Honestly, why would a BC have the religion listed? Thats ridiculous.
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I agree it's ridiculous, and I agree that U.S. birth certificates almost certainly do not list it.

However... in Germany, birth certificates almost DO certainly list religion. In Germany you are born into a particular religion (for 99% of people either Catholic or Lutheran), and you even by default pay a "church tax" of ~3% (if I recall correctly) as soon as you start working. To avoid paying church tax, you have to fill out a form to remove that association from your record. That's what LDS converts have to do, because the LDS church manages its own donations (anonymous, and in theory higher than 3%) rather than relying on the government to give it the church tax proceeds. If you do stop paying church tax to the Catholic/Lutheran churches, then you can't have a church wedding/funeral/baptism of your children.
 
NAOS said:
laugh it off if you want to, but have you read Mein Kampf? Humor can't obscure the fact that Marcus sounds a lot like its pages.... Of course you'd need to read it to say so.

My statement isn't a Glen Beck sort of Nazi anxiety. Read it, you'll see.
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Ok so I mentioned Godwin's Law just because, well it holds true so often.

As far as your assertion that Marcus' statements sounds a lot like Mein Kampf I would have to disagree. I have read it in both English and German and would not have made the leap to parallels with Mein Kampf specifically. It would help to give us some examples from the pages of Mein Kampf compared directly to Marcus' statements so we can see what comparison's you are making.
 
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