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Is Russia Helping Trump?
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this Russian **** is so beyond embarrassing I can't believe it's actually getting at people's fears. Ridiculous.
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instead of worrying about Russians hacking their **** infrastructure (which they scoffed at a few months ago, mind you) maybe they should just conduct themselves so ethically that there's no potential undermining of your legitimacy in case a hack DOES occur.
This **** is so ****ing stupid. I honestly don't know how anyone in the right mind can vote DNC after this election unless you're on the centre-right
♪alt13
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I hope this is not what it seems...
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/fbi-states-voting-systems-digital-assualt-227523
"The presence of the Russian cyber gang-linked IP address in the FBI alert is a possible indication that these digital thieves were at it again in Illinois and Arizona, said several researchers and a former FBI official.
While such thefts could be the work of ordinary criminals, these same experts explained that Russian cyber gangs often act at the behest of the Kremlin, either directly or indirectly. In exchange, these groups receive immunity from prosecution and “maintain their untouchable status,” said Kellermann, of Cybersecurity Strategic Ventures.
If this is indeed the case with the recent intrusions of state voter registration databases, Kellermann believes the suspected campaign to undermine the U.S. election process is “reaching a tipping point.”
“It’s high time that the U.S. government took off its own gloves,” he said.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/fbi-states-voting-systems-digital-assualt-227523
"The presence of the Russian cyber gang-linked IP address in the FBI alert is a possible indication that these digital thieves were at it again in Illinois and Arizona, said several researchers and a former FBI official.
While such thefts could be the work of ordinary criminals, these same experts explained that Russian cyber gangs often act at the behest of the Kremlin, either directly or indirectly. In exchange, these groups receive immunity from prosecution and “maintain their untouchable status,” said Kellermann, of Cybersecurity Strategic Ventures.
If this is indeed the case with the recent intrusions of state voter registration databases, Kellermann believes the suspected campaign to undermine the U.S. election process is “reaching a tipping point.”
“It’s high time that the U.S. government took off its own gloves,” he said.
Red
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And here is the latest on this component of the 2016 election:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...c27fa0-7156-11e6-8533-6b0b0ded0253_story.html
U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies are probing what they see as a broad covert Russian operation in the United States to sow public distrust in the upcoming presidential election and in U.S. political institutions, intelligence and congressional officials said.
The aim is to understand the scope and intent of the Russian campaign, which incorporates cyber-tools to hack systems used in the political process, enhancing Russia’s ability to spread disinformation.....
.....The Kremlin’s intent may not be to sway the election in one direction or another, officials said, but to cause chaos and provide propaganda fodder to attack U.S. democracy-building policies around the world, particularly in the countries of the former Soviet Union.
U.S. intelligence officials described the covert influence campaign here as “ambitious” and said it is also designed to counter U.S. leadership and influence in international affairs.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...c27fa0-7156-11e6-8533-6b0b0ded0253_story.html
U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies are probing what they see as a broad covert Russian operation in the United States to sow public distrust in the upcoming presidential election and in U.S. political institutions, intelligence and congressional officials said.
The aim is to understand the scope and intent of the Russian campaign, which incorporates cyber-tools to hack systems used in the political process, enhancing Russia’s ability to spread disinformation.....
.....The Kremlin’s intent may not be to sway the election in one direction or another, officials said, but to cause chaos and provide propaganda fodder to attack U.S. democracy-building policies around the world, particularly in the countries of the former Soviet Union.
U.S. intelligence officials described the covert influence campaign here as “ambitious” and said it is also designed to counter U.S. leadership and influence in international affairs.
Russia has already hacked voter registration records in this election and has been extremely active in trying to shape this election.
No telling what is on Trump's tax returns or the ties he may have to Russian lenders.
Tough to believe that this is just smoke and mirrors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daKZXYdYKT0
No telling what is on Trump's tax returns or the ties he may have to Russian lenders.
Tough to believe that this is just smoke and mirrors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daKZXYdYKT0
Red
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This story is understandably overshadowed by the latest Trump revelations. No doubt because those revelations involve the topic of sex and Trump's treatment of woman. But, in truth, IMHO, in terms of our history, this is a huge story:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ing-americas-elections-thats-a-very-big-deal/
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/obama-russian-hacking-crisis-229298
"President Barack Obama came under immediate pressure Friday night to punish Russia for hacking into US political institutions — with calls to rally European allies behind sweeping new sanctions against Moscow".
The demands for swift action followed the administration's extraordinary public statement accusing the Russian government of targeting the Democratic National Committee and other political organizations, amounting to the most significant effort by a foreign power to interfere in U.S. domestic politics in American history."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ing-americas-elections-thats-a-very-big-deal/
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/obama-russian-hacking-crisis-229298
"President Barack Obama came under immediate pressure Friday night to punish Russia for hacking into US political institutions — with calls to rally European allies behind sweeping new sanctions against Moscow".
The demands for swift action followed the administration's extraordinary public statement accusing the Russian government of targeting the Democratic National Committee and other political organizations, amounting to the most significant effort by a foreign power to interfere in U.S. domestic politics in American history."
Nothing of substance will happen Red. China and Russia have run rough shod over the West. The west won't go to war over Syria, Ukraine, Georgia, East and South China seas and they know it.
There is absolutely a second world pillar forming. Russia and China at the head with plenty of supporting nations. Like Cambodia, N. Korea, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Mongolia (they have no choice really), Pakistan, Belarus, Cuba, Venezuela, Ecuador, Nicaragua, Argentina, Eritrea, Kazhakistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Afghanistan once the US leaves.
They are even working on the Phillipines, Mexico and Vietnam.
At this point the UN is an abject failure and serves no purpose. In another brilliant move Russia submitted a last minute UN resolution to the security council to counter France's resolution. Both will be vetoes and now Russia doesn't look bad as the only veto nation.
There is absolutely a second world pillar forming. Russia and China at the head with plenty of supporting nations. Like Cambodia, N. Korea, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Mongolia (they have no choice really), Pakistan, Belarus, Cuba, Venezuela, Ecuador, Nicaragua, Argentina, Eritrea, Kazhakistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Afghanistan once the US leaves.
They are even working on the Phillipines, Mexico and Vietnam.
At this point the UN is an abject failure and serves no purpose. In another brilliant move Russia submitted a last minute UN resolution to the security council to counter France's resolution. Both will be vetoes and now Russia doesn't look bad as the only veto nation.
Red
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We have the abilities in cyber warfare to play the same games against Putin, and embarrass him. But, I don't expect Obama to so act....
Hotdog
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Isn't it a little hypocritical of Obama and the US to be accusing Russia of interfering with US elections? While the US routinely tries to influence leadership and elections in countries all around the world by all sorts of means?
Sometimes I just wanna walk outside and yell what the hell is going on?
Sometimes I just wanna walk outside and yell what the hell is going on?
♪alt13
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Yes it is but let's not pretend that you wouldn't be on the other side of the argument if they had hacked Trump instead of Clinton.
Hotdog
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That doesnt make sense. Non interventionism is more of a leftist idea. At least globally.
I think my statement would appeal more to the left if it weren't for the present circumstances and what people are involved.
Hotdog
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Ive said many times I dont like Trump. I think he is stupid. I think he has screwed up a movement by people who are fed up with political system. I dont even consider myself Republican. Ive never voted Republican. I hated Bush with a passion. But I will vote for Trump. Just because. He is my human molotov cocktail Im throwing into the system.
Im also more annoyed with the left right now. This whole thing where they want to paint white people as inherently racist and evil, is annoying. I really believe they are doing more damage to race relations than they are helping. That and Hillary is not a saint and its easy to vote against her. I would have went with Bernie if he was the nominee.
Im more of a mix when it comes to politics.
Really interesting piece here providing compelling evidence that Trump does indeed have some connection to Russia. The video from TYT covers the original article if you don't want to read it.
https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-p...-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBKdfJaPGaA
https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-p...-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBKdfJaPGaA
Red
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Back in the news, to be used by Democrats accusing the FBI's Comey of a double standard where "too close to an election" is concerned:
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-russia-democrats-email-230557
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-russia-democrats-email-230557