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It is time consider trade Hayward

Yes, we should consider trading all our players if it nets us a good deal that makes us a better team.

No, we should not trade Hayward for a pick and to tank. Chance of that pick being as good as Hayward are very low. We also are in a great position as a team without a trade. Hayward is the first option on this team right now. No he is not Durant, Lebron or Curry but he is still a good player. We are still close to .500. If we had Exum and Gobert we would be well above .500. We need to hope Favors keeps improving, he could be a number one option as well or maybe already is for this team. If Gobert, Hood and Exum improve for next season we should be good enough to compete for home court in the playoffs. Next season we will replace our d-league quality bench with decent vets and we will be good.

This is not the time to panic about our team.
 
For me either side of the discussion is legit. It would largely depend on what's out there. I think Boston is looking for that guy and may feel Hayward could be that guy and reconnecting him with his college coach.
 
Hayward has been the glue guy this season. It's quite the letdown after last year. Trade him and the reason the team runs well falls apart. Keep him and this team goes nowhere fast.

I want the core to be Hayward-Favors-Gobert plus a true superstar. That's not going to happen so the next best option is adding two top-40 players at pg + the wing. That's not going to happen either. The Jazz need to get very lucky in the draft or somehow squeeze out a trade with all these stacked assets.
 
franklin said:
Hayward has been the glue guy this season. It's quite the letdown after last year. Trade him and the reason the team runs well falls apart. Keep him and this team goes nowhere fast.

I want the core to be Hayward-Favors-Gobert plus a true superstar. That's not going to happen so the next best option is adding two top-40 players at pg + the wing. That's not going to happen either. The Jazz need to get very lucky in the draft or somehow squeeze out a trade with all these stacked assets.
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I think if we could pair a top 10 PG with Hayward/Favors/Gobert, that would be great. That is far more realistic too. Hayward is much better when he doesnt have to be on-ball constantly and a great PG would do him wonders.
 
It didn't take us long to go full retard I see. You don't trade Hayward, Favors, or Gobert unless you are getting a top ten player like Cy mentioned... and I wouldn't do it for the guys like Harden or Melo, who were or are considered top ten guys at one time,because they force you to build around what they do.

While these guys aren't superstars, they aren't glue guys either. These three guys can play with just about anything you put around them and offer so much versatility... it is part of the reason they are so valuable. The problem is the stuff we have surrounding them isnt great and we have one of our three best players out and another rotation player out (Exum). We have replaced those guys with D League talent.

The sky isn't falling, so maybe we should all just relax. Losing is frustrating... some of management's decisions have not been great, but let's not throw out the good for the sake of change.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It didn't take us long to go full retard I see. You don't trade Hayward, Favors, or Gobert unless you are getting a top ten player like Cy mentioned... and I wouldn't do it for the guys like Harden or Melo, who were or are considered top ten guys at one time,because they force you to build around what they do.

While these guys aren't superstars, they aren't glue guys either. These three guys can play with just about anything you put around them and offer so much versatility... it is part of the reason they are so valuable. The problem is the stuff we have surrounding them isnt great and we have one of our three best players out and another rotation player out (Exum). We have replaced those guys with D League talent.

The sky isn't falling, so maybe we should all just relax. Losing is frustrating... some of management's decisions have not been great, but let's not throw out the good for the sake of change.
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It's so hard to trade for a top 10 guy. It's usually a baggage problem and they are near the end of their contract. Harden was a rare example. Also, most of these guys have control of where they get traded to.
 
Broncster said:
Yes, we should consider trading all our players if it nets us a good deal that makes us a better team.

No, we should not trade Hayward for a pick and to tank. Chance of that pick being as good as Hayward are very low. We also are in a great position as a team without a trade. Hayward is the first option on this team right now. No he is not Durant, Lebron or Curry but he is still a good player. We are still close to .500. If we had Exum and Gobert we would be well above .500. We need to hope Favors keeps improving, he could be a number one option as well or maybe already is for this team. If Gobert, Hood and Exum improve for next season we should be good enough to compete for home court in the playoffs. Next season we will replace our d-league quality bench with decent vets and we will be good.

This is not the time to panic about our team.
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My biggest problem with this team right now is that our best player is usually 4th in shot attempts. Favors should be our #1 option but he's not used that way. Drives me insane.
 
Can't really see any scenario where the Jazz let Hayward go. Especially with Burks and Hood's game being stuck in mud.
 
King Cy said:
It's so hard to trade for a top 10 guy. It's usually a baggage problem and they are near the end of their contract. Harden was a rare example. Also, most of these guys have control of where they get traded to.
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If we did move Hayward it would be combination of draft assets/prospects like in the D-Will trade. Only way we trade Hayward is if he tells us he isn't resigning... that's not really his style.
 
gregbroncs said:
My biggest problem with this team right now is that our best player is usually 4th in shot attempts. Favors should be our #1 option but he's not used that way. Drives me insane.
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They move away from the Favors pick and roll too much. I'm not a huge fan of Favs in the post, but he is definitely way better there. He also is developing that Karl Malone 18 footer from mid range where he gives a step/pump fake and hits the jumper when the defender backs off.
 
gregbroncs said:
My biggest problem with this team right now is that our best player is usually 4th in shot attempts. Favors should be our #1 option but he's not used that way. Drives me insane.
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I agree, I wish they would run more plays for Favors. Favors and Hayward should touch the ball every half court possession when they are in. I really hope/think Exum will solve some of these problems. He is smart and tries to get ball into the right hands and runs the pick and roll well. I want to see him making decisions. Like end of game situations getting the ball to the hot hand or right person. But I have high expectations of him.

My biggest question on this team is Hood. What are we going to get from him going forward.

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Hayward is a very good player, and I don't think we can find a plausible trade that gives us anywhere near as much value back. Maybe Favors + picks for Cousins would work, since he's always in trade rumors.
 
It's kind of incredible how the line of thinking for so many people here basically boils down to "Hayward is not a superstar, therefore he is a colossal failure and it's time to trade him."

To hell with that. Panic trades like that just throw all locker room chemistry into the gutter and create perennially garbage teams. Best case scenario is you trade him for a draft pick that eventually becomes a superstar, but the odds of that happening are very low. The reality is we'd be lucky to draft a player that ends up becoming as good as Hayward.
 
Siro said:
Hayward is a very good player, and I don't think we can find a plausible trade that gives us anywhere near as much value back. Maybe Favors + picks for Cousins would work, since he's always in trade rumors.
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Cousins may be a better individual talent than favors but he doesn't help win games as much as Favors does. This is a perfect example of what I was saying earlier about not wanting s top ten player that dictates the way you have to play.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Cousins may be a better individual talent than favors but he doesn't help win games as much as Favors does. This is a perfect example of what I was saying earlier about not wanting s top ten player that dictates the way you have to play.
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He doesn't? I don't know about that. I think he's one hell of a player. He's becoming a better passer, and I think in the right situation, he can be quite the force. Despite being a headcase, I think Cousins has the demeanor of a child. And what do children value most? Stability. He can get that in Utah.

I'm not saying I'm dying to see that trade happen. But if we're swinging for the fences, it is a good trade to consider. We get superior talent, with some baggage. The alternative is just sticking with what we have, while trying to add marginal talent to plug the holes. But nobody is giving us superior players for nothing because they're just that nice.
 
Siro said:
Hayward is a very good player, and I don't think we can find a plausible trade that gives us anywhere near as much value back. Maybe Favors + picks for Cousins would work, since he's always in trade rumors.
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Pretty much the only plausible thing I can think of in terms of super-star top 10 talent that is disgruntled.
 
Siro said:
He doesn't? I don't know about that. I think he's one hell of a player. He's becoming a better passer, and I think in the right situation, he can be quite the force. Despite being a headcase, I think Cousins has the demeanor of a child. And what do children value most? Stability. He can get that in Utah.

I'm not saying I'm dying to see that trade happen. But if we're swinging for the fences, it is a good trade to consider. We get superior talent, with some baggage. The alternative is just sticking with what we have, while trying to add marginal talent to plug the holes. But nobody is giving us superior players for nothing because they're just that nice.
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His shot selection though. He is shooting 42% this year from the field. That is lulz worth with his size, length, and skill (with Rondo at point) to be shooting that poorly. If someone could teach Cousins to pull his game in a little bit, he could be the best big man in the league.
 
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