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It is time consider trade Hayward

DownUnder said:
did you actually watch Ellis play then ??

And who exactly is the player on the Jazz who the organization feels is pushing to take Haywards role ? And is there friction about playing time / roles on the team ?
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1. Yes I have watched Ellis play a lot when he was in his prime.
2. Hood
3. No. What does that have to do with anything? Monta was still the leading scorer on the explosive Warriors team that upset Dallas in 2007. I don't know what friction/playing time issues you're talking about. I think you're getting confused with Ellis' tenure in Dallas maybe?
 
akirac73 said:
1. Yes I have watched Ellis play a lot when he was in his prime.
2. Hood
3. No. What does that have to do with anything? Monta was still the leading scorer on the explosive Warriors team that upset Dallas in 2007. I don't know what friction/playing time issues you're talking about. I think you're getting confused with Ellis' tenure in Dallas maybe?
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dude it wasn't exactly a secret there was tension, you don't have to look to far https://www.sfgate.com/sports/jenki...eet-for-Stephen-Curry-Monta-Ellis-5309110.php first paragraph sums it up. So no, not confused about his tenure at Dallas where all was rosy.

I love Hood but he and Hayward are not in the same category.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Tough to trade an injured player. Also the guy is locked in inexpensively for 3 years after this one. I don't disagree fit wise, but the talent we'd get back for Hayward vs. Burks isn't close. Also the potential that Hayward leaves was always there, but this craptastic season make it much greater imo. What we can get now vs. 6 months from now may be very different.

I don't see us moving Hayward, though it might be the most prudent thing long-term. I hate the idea of taking a step back... I hope DL has a lot of sleepless nights in between now and the deadline pondering these items.
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I know you are just try and be more reason and I know you are reasonable, but Jazz can be even worst when they lose Hayward and for nothing. Think about it!
 
DownUnder said:
seriously dude, on what planet do you think getting rid of hayward would in any way be the same as GS getting rid of a ball hogging inefficient malcontent ? There is so little chance of any draft pick we'd get in return being even remotely what Hayward is that it's just a fallacy to contemplate.

As for getting the all coveted "franchise player" who will magically take over games ... that is so unlikely to happen and highly unlikely in Utah. The only hope for that is Exum, and if he's a bust the only hope is building a team of fringe all stars.
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Or with draft picks you silly goose!
 
DownUnder said:
did you actually watch Ellis play then ??

And who exactly is the player on the Jazz who the organization feels is pushing to take Haywards role ? And is there friction about playing time / roles on the team ?
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It is a little cute I think hear you talk about hayward so fond like an untouchabel
 
akirac73 said:
Actually there is a lot in common:

1. Both were the best players on their teams at the time.
2. Both were putting up good stats but couldn't make the all-star team

Ball Hogging?
Ellis' Career in Golden State (7 seasons): 4.4 assists/game
Hayward's Career in Utah (6 seasons): 3.4 assists/game

Inefficient?
Ellis' Career in Golden State (7 seasons): 17.0 PER
Hayward's Career in Utah (6 seasons): 16.9 PER
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Ellis has 1 season aboveHayward's careeraverage shooting efficiency. And Hayward is still improving.

Some stats might be similar but I would put Hayward ahead of Ellis in total impact on both ends of the court.
 
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