Joe Bagadonuts
Well-Known Member
Welcome aboard the crazy train.I see.
Definitely new here. But I've been watching the Jazz since the '87 series against the Lakers when I was 12.

Welcome aboard the crazy train.I see.
Definitely new here. But I've been watching the Jazz since the '87 series against the Lakers when I was 12.
I blame Lindsey that he didn't build a solid bench for this season.
He's a Lakers Slapper... though I'm not insinuating that his opinions are as out of touch as our poster of that same name.Also, I'm not sure what the obsession with Trevor Booker is. I'm still trying to figure out the thing he's good at. It's not shooting, rebounding or defense.
Overall I'm pleased with DL, but there is one thing that really bugs me that no one is talking about. For his first two or three years as GM every time he came on the radio he talked about how KOC did such a good job of putting the Jazz in a good financial situation. He'd talk about assets and how when the time is right the Jazz will be able to make moves because they are in a better situation than other teams. It was like "Okay Jazz fans, things suck now, but we'll be able to make some moves because we are in a better financial situation than everyone else in the NBA."
Well, when the time finally arrived the league signed new TV contracts and the Jazz were no longer in a better position.
The Jazz organization was aware a new TV deal was going to be put in place and it was going to be lucrative. DL fed us a bunch of crap for his first couple of years.
Same return? We would have gotten a protected future first, an international prospect who was a borderline first round pick, and rid ourselves of Novak's contract by letting him walk? I realize some may view that as a pile of meh, but Kanter in a contract year when everyone knew he'd get an offer from someone that would make a GM squirm is basically worth a pile of meh. There were no good fits out there style wise for Kanter so DL got some value. He got market value... its not like he didn't try and get more.
We also had to do it to rid ourselves of that turd and everyone knew it. Wasn't like we were negotiating from a place of power.
I noticed you never answered my question about how you've done the math and concluded that we didn't get a "good" return.
We didn't trade the 3rd pick. We traded Enes Kanter. And we traded him just before a new contract that was destined to be bananas.
Well unfortunately, we don't have this magic formula you're looking for that will give us a precise answer that ends all speculation. This is one of those things called "an opinion". I think we're still allowed to have those these days, maybe not though. I've explained in other posts what our return was from Kanter, and why I think it was subpar. I know you know how to read, so you can find em, I'm not doing your work for you.
And I agree with part of that, but I'm still not willing to say our return was anything good. Average at best. And lets try to be intellectually honest here, if you're going to refer to Tibor Pleiss as a borderline first round pick, perhaps we should refer to Enes Kanter as a #3 pick, huh? We got Jerret (sucks), Pleiss (below average) and a late pick. Best part was getting rid of Novak's contract, and getting rid of Kanter. I agree that the trade was good overall, but I think our return was average at best.
wow, u mad brough.
I still think you're hung up on the fact that he was #3 pick. I think it's fair to assume that Lindsey got all he could for him (especially considering he traded him to another team with in the division/conference). In fact, it's weird to claim otherwise. Should he have traded Kanter sooner? In hindsight, definitely. But that's hindsight.
Also, I'm not sure what the obsession with Trevor Booker is. I'm still trying to figure out the thing he's good at. It's not shooting, rebounding or defense.
Also, I'm not sure what the obsession with Trevor Booker is. I'm still trying to figure out the thing he's good at. It's not shooting, rebounding or defense.
Do you not watch teh games?
He brings energy, what else?
He brings energy, what else?
I mean, as a backup PF he rebounds pretty well, not elite or anything, but definitely above average. He can hit a 3 pointer (he needs to start taking more though). The only thing I really dislike about him is that he is an awful FT shooter.
He is an average player. I think the Jazz could have found better players than him and Ingles as free agents.
In my opinion Lindsey should be more active in free agency.