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It's the most wonderful time of the year (first game of the year!). Hou @ Jazz Game 1 of many.

heyhey said:
Can we please stop referring to Hayward as a max player. He got the max that was available to him not the max that a player can get paid. He is still getting paid much less than a "max player".
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He's not getting MUCH less. So his raises are 4.5% instead of 7% (or something like that).
OK, our "almost max" player shot like he almost knew where the basket was. Better?
 
Cy said:
I think Kanter can shoot 3's, they just have to be in better rhythm and more open than what he has been taking. Seems like he hesitates each time he takes one.
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Why do you or anyone else think that. He looks so bad taking them. I just don't see it at all.
 
I knew Id see a couple of guys trying to blame this loss on Kantor ,it will be a long season watching these couple guys blame Kantor for everything.

Poor 3 point shooting was a bigger factor for this loss and Jazz are in trouble if Trey Burke is taking the most shots ......16 shots for 15 points is not a good game
 
tleikheen said:
I knew Id see a couple of guys trying to blame this loss on Kantor ,it will be a long season watching these couple guys blame Kantor for everything.

Poor 3 point shooting was a bigger factor for this loss and Jazz are in trouble if Trey Burke is taking the most shots ......16 shots for 15 points is not a good game
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I knew this post was coming from one of 3 people. Not blaming him bro, but can't deny he just doesn't fit.
 
Vermin said:
Exum getting yanked in the 1st was prett lame and Kanter played 15 minutes more than he should have. Need to tighten up the rotation and I don't think Kanter has more than a bit role. HE CANT SHOOT THREES. Just had to get that out for all the birdbrains on that wagon.
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WE got schooled by a team that has an incredible inside-out game. Houston IS right now what the Jazz aspire to become. Need to have Favors develop inside, which he showed he is doing and have players who can hit 3's, which Utah didn't have this game. Kanter is not the 4 the Jazz need and Hayward and Burke laid big eggs from outside. On a positive note, I thought Alec played pretty well. Get that pen out and give him a new contract before he goes trick or treating!
 
It was a long shot to think Kanter could just start hitting threes. Blake is a better jump shooter than Kanter and even he can't hit them regularly. Millsap didn't start shooting them regularly until last year and only hit them at 35.8% which is barely passable.
 
Vermin said:
He does a lot of things that don't show up.
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I really hate when people say this, especially when it comes to Hayward.

I've made my dislike for him known long before all of this contract stuff and all the things Ive disliked are still there. Doing things that don't show up on stat sheets typically makes you a team leader. I've never once watched a Jazz game and thought "man, Hayward sure looks like the guy everyone looks to on our team".

I'm not going to blind hate but let's all agree to try and watch without bias either way. If we do that I think we can all agree he's "ok".
 
I was at the game and just got home. I noticed a few things I liked and a few things I didn't like
Burks played pretty good defense against harden. Some of hardens shots just went in even with burks playing solid D. His improvement is nice
Booker is an animal. His hustle was awesome and he played pretty good defense. I like him a lot
Gobert played great. He has improved tons from last year. Huge steal in the draft. His box score doesn't reflect how good he was
Favors showed an improved jump shot too

I didn't like
Kanters defense. He got beat on the 3 point line a few times and Howard worked him early on(although part of it was Howard being a beast)
Burke seemed to play some hero ball, some possessions not passing it at all. He got trapped a lot in the first half but did much better in the second
Hayward really seemed to be tuned out of the game. His jump shot was off and he really didn't do anything to help take over the game. Really frustrated with his game

Much better than last year though. The crowd was super into it and the team looks better. Houston is a good team

Also was glad to see offensive fouls called in harden
 
tleikheen said:
I knew Id see a couple of guys trying to blame this loss on Kantor ,it will be a long season watching these couple guys blame Kantor for everything.

Poor 3 point shooting was a bigger factor for this loss and Jazz are in trouble if Trey Burke is taking the most shots ......16 shots for 15 points is not a good game
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idiotic analysis. not sure what you just watched
 
Was at the game, and for about 40 seconds (when we came within 3 in the third), I got my hopes up that the jazz finally had turned the page and that THIS year would be different. There was an awesome energy in the arena - that same aura of excitement that filled the arena during the D will and Stockton years. What ensued the raging noise by the crowd, was the same 'Ol ty Corbin basketball but a different year. Thoughts:

-Snyder taking out Burke and booker at the beginning of the fourth reeked of a Corbin adjustment. You have to ride those players when they're playing well!

-Hayward looked like the 4th-5th best player on the court. Playing for the jazz. Extremely disappointed the lack of improvement in his shot. Many times he had WIDE OPEN threes, and clanked them. (Contrary to everyone's belief - "Gordon shot poorly last year because all his shots were contested") Max player disappeared too many times.

-Burke had moments of greatness, and moments of failed hero ball. Same goes with Exum. Albeit Burke is clearly the #1 pg on the team. Wasn't too sure what to think of exum's whiney reaction after he made a bad pass in the 4th.

-Hood to me will be the steal of this past year's draft. Played well.

-Booker is clearly the enforcer on this team. Really I'd start him over Kanter.

-speaking of kanter, I'd do better guarding Dwight than he did. looked like my seahawks' o line blocking.

-Noticed favors finally has a mid range game. Nice to see his improvements.

-gobert is an animal!

- Tempering my expectations. We'll be a bottom feeder again this year
 
Bodhi said:
I really hate when people say this, especially when it comes to Hayward.

I've made my dislike for him known long before all of this contract stuff and all the things Ive disliked are still there. Doing things that don't show up on stat sheets typically makes you a team leader. I've never once watched a Jazz game and thought "man, Hayward sure looks like the guy everyone looks to on our team".

I'm not going to blind hate but let's all agree to try and watch without bias either way. If we do that I think we can all agree he's "ok".
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I think that's the point the right? We all knew he was not worth the max and that he is a really nice third option. We should not expect Paul George from him because he got paid. That's not who he is.
 
Crawlnstall said:
I was at the game and just got home. I noticed a few things I liked and a few things I didn't like
Burks played pretty good defense against harden. Some of hardens shots just went in even with burks playing solid D. His improvement is nice
Booker is an animal. His hustle was awesome and he played pretty good defense. I like him a lot
Gobert played great. He has improved tons from last year. Huge steal in the draft. His box score doesn't reflect how good he was
Favors showed an improved jump shot too

I didn't like
Kanters defense. He got beat on the 3 point line a few times and Howard worked him early on(although part of it was Howard being a beast)
Burke seemed to play some hero ball, some possessions not passing it at all. He got trapped a lot in the first half but did much better in the second
Hayward really seemed to be tuned out of the game. His jump shot was off and he really didn't do anything to help take over the game. Really frustrated with his game

Much better than last year though. The crowd was super into it and the team looks better. Houston is a good team

Also was glad to see offensive fouls called in harden
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wah?
 
Stifle Tower said:
He's not getting MUCH less. So his raises are 4.5% instead of 7% (or something like that).
OK, our "almost max" player shot like he almost knew where the basket was. Better?
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The point is he got a max for a 0-6 year guy not the league max. James is a "max player". Will Hayward ever get a league max contract? NO. So he's not a max player. Just like Anthony Bennet isn't a max player just because he was picked #1 and has a max rookie contract.

Did we overpay? yep
Did we have a choice? not really
Is the incessant whining about it dumb? yep
 
The Thriller said:
Hayward had a great game other than shooting and scoring?

Wow.

The theater was fantastic other than Lincoln being assassinated.

I don't give a damn how many assists he has, max players have got to be able to shoot and score. The hayward cheerleaders are taking homerism to a new level. Not even Locke and Checkettes are deepthroating the way some of you are.

Now, kanter sucked and honestly might not be an effective NBA player. A poor man's Jefferson will never amount to a winning team.

The offense looked good tonight. We manufactured a lot of easy buckets and open shots. I wish we would continue to feed Favors. Booker is Millsap II. I'd like to see what Novak can do. Burks/Burke, when playing well, leave little time for Exum. It's going to be interesting to see how that plays out this year.

Overall, Houston went small and just burned us. They're a tough team. We needed a wing to somewhat match them. Hayward was the guy. He failed. I so would rather have Parsons over Hayward. Or hell, Ariza. Ariza had 20 pts.

At least we're playing a more exciting brand of basketball.
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I can think of one player who seemed to manufacture a lot of easy buckets and open shots..
 
Vermin said:
Why do you or anyone else think that. He looks so bad taking them. I just don't see it at all.
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This... There is no evidence he can shoot the 3... None.

I don't blame him for the loss though... He played good in the first half. Trey and Hayward's bricks were much more to blame. The good news is they won't shoot that bad every night.
 
Jazz4ever said:
It was a long shot to think Kanter could just start hitting threes. Blake is a better jump shooter than Kanter and even he can't hit them regularly. Millsap didn't start shooting them regularly until last year and only hit them at 35.8% which is barely passable.
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Millsap hit some big 3's for Utah, but really wasn't allowed to shoot them. There is ZERO doubt Paul had better range entering his 4th year than Enes does. Kanter is an inside player. That's where he scored from tonight. I think he did a passable job, but the offense bogged down without having 4 players who could surround the arc and be outside threats. The Jazz need a PF who can hit the 3. And then I think the choice comes down to who backs up Favors: is it Gobert or Kanter going forward? I know what my answer is.
 
I mean, this game really came down to the fact the Howard and Harden were the most talented players on the court. Howard looks like he is going to have a monster season and although we prevented Harden from hurting us too much himself, his drive and kicks killed us.

Our runs typically happened without them on the court and when we had our best players on the court.

The Rockets are a better team and have better players at the top.
 
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