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It's the most wonderful time of the year (first game of the year!). Hou @ Jazz Game 1 of many.

heyhey said:
The point is he got a max for a 0-6 year guy not the league max. James is a "max player". Will Hayward ever get a league max contract? NO. So he's not a max player. Just like Anthony Bennet isn't a max player just because he was picked #1 and has a max rookie contract.

Did we overpay? yep
Did we have a choice? not really
Is the incessant whining about it dumb? yep
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Bloody hell. You sound like Bill Clinton arguing over what the definition of "is" is. Under your definition next year Lebron won't be a max player because the cap will have gone up and his contract will no longer be at 30% of BRI. Utah DID have a choice with Gordon, just like Houston had a choice with Parsons. They could have said "see ya later" and turned to a FA whose contribution would have been better value on the dollar.

But as Ty would have said, it's only one game. We can see if Gordon "overpaid but not at heyhey's definition of a max deal" Hayward comes close to producing stats that in any way justify his $16M salary. I won't hold my breath.
 
Cy said:
Funny how all the Hayward haters are coming out of the wood works after he has one bad offensive performance and where completely silent the entire preseason.
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I'm not a hater by any means, although I still believe he is considerably overpaid, and that for Utah, the contract was a mistake. However, I just wanted to point out that most reasonable fans understand that preseason adds up to exactly jack squat when trying to evaluate pretty much anything.
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Having said all that, the Gordo lovers/defenders better come to grips in a hurry as to what is expected from him by the majority of fans after signing that contract. I expect him to be basically the same player he was last year, and even though that might fly if the Jazz are winning, he is going to get absolutely HAMMERED by this fan base if the team is losing, and he shows little/no improvement from last year.
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In reality, I feel kinda bad for him because I really can't blame him for taking what was offered, but the situation is what it is, and with obscene amounts of money come greater expectations. Much as I hate to say it, Gordo is set up perfectly to become the next hated player on the team. The Taylor Swifts of Jazzfanz should just add him right now to your list of jerks who were mean and stupid and never let you drive their truck.
 
I did see some improvements from Hayward tonight. He only made 3 shots, but they way he made those 3 shots were encouraging.

1. Looks like he can finish at the rim better now due to his stronger build. (one dunk, one layup he muscled in)
2. He made a floater. (one more than he made all last season) Hopefully he added this to his offensive repertoire.

He still sucks shooting wide open threes like last season doe...
 
akirac73 said:
I did see some improvements from Hayward tonight. He only made 3 shots, but they way he made those 3 shots were encouraging.

1. Looks like he can finish at the rim better now due to his stronger build. (one dunk, one layup he muscled in)
2. He made a floater. (one more than he made all last season) Hopefully he added this to his offensive repertoire.

He still sucks shooting wide open threes like last season doe...
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He was awesome at nailing 3's in the preseason. He just had a bad night. He was defended by one of the top wing defenders in the league and one of the best rim protectors in the league. Houston actually played really good defense by overplaying everything and not allowing our offense to run smoothly. We just have to get better at executing against pressure.
 
I've said this season will go as Burke goes and tonight was no different. 6-16, 0-4 3pt with just 4 assists.

Hayward is a role player with a big contract - we'd better get used to a lot up and down play from him. That's G-time. It's who he is.

Burke is the guy who needs to be more consistent with his shooting and his playmaking. He simply didn't make the game easier for teammates tonight. You combine those things with a 14-27 3pt shooing performance from the Rockets, you will lose every time.
 
And what's up with that Ingles knucklehead getting in the game? Burks found him for a wide open three and he clanked it - the same shot Novak makes in his sleep.

You need a dorky Australian, bring back Motum for hell sakes. That guy can play.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
And what's up with that Ingles knucklehead getting in the game? Burks found him for a wide open three and he clanked it - the same shot Novak makes in his sleep.

You need a dorky Australian, bring back Motum for hell sakes. That guy can play.
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Jazzfanz: Where you miss one shot and you automatically suck.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
I've said this season will go as Burke goes and tonight was no different. 6-16, 0-4 3pt with just 4 assists.

Hayward is a role player with a big contract - we'd better get used to a lot up and down play from him. That's G-time. It's who he is.

Burke is the guy who needs to be more consistent with his shooting and his playmaking. He simply didn't make the game easier for teammates tonight. You combine those things with a 14-27 3pt shooing performance from the Rockets, you will lose every time.
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All of our off-ball action was being busted by the Rockets overplaying everything. This loss was on the team, not sure why everyone is trying to blame it all on one player's offensive performance.
 
Such a small sample size for all of our players tonight and all of you guys are acting like you know each players fate.
 
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Cy said:
All of our off-ball action was being busted by the Rockets overplaying everything. This loss was on the team, not sure why everyone is trying to blame it all on one player's offensive performance.
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That goes without saying. My point is, Burke played too much like he did last year and that just isn't going to get it done over the course of the season. My comment really has little to do with this one game. the Jazz will lose about 60 games this year if Burke doesn't figure things out.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
That goes without saying. My point is, Burke played too much like he did last year and that just isn't going to get it done over the course of the season. My comment really has little to do with this one game. the Jazz will lose about 60 games this year if Burke doesn't figure things out.
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My point: This was the first regular season game with the Jazz playing Quin's offense. Tonight was our first real test for the offensive system with how the Rockets were overplaying everything and getting us out of rythym. Our offensive execution was off on all facets, not anything individually Burke failed at. Burke looked nothing like he did last year. His shot wasn't falling and he at least tried attacking the basket and had some success in doing so.
 
I'd rather see Burks take them. I don't care nearly as much about their record this year as I do seeing these young players developed. Burks has the opportunity to be special. I'd like to see him taking threes on top of slashing to the rim. Plus, his defense looked tons better. With how he gets to the line and scores inside, if he can hit 3's on a regular basis AND provide good defense, then he can be a legitimate #1 option.
 
Cy said:
My point: This was the first regular season game with the Jazz playing Quin's offense. Tonight was our first real test for the offensive system with how the Rockets were overplaying everything and getting us out of rythym. Our offensive execution was off on all facets, not anything individually Burke failed at. Burke looked nothing like he did last year. His shot wasn't falling and he at least tried attacking the basket and had some success in doing so.
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That's fair.
 
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