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J. J Redick says not being in the rotation in his early years was VERY beneficial for him.

Yep and the Magic took "exactly the same" approach with Dwight Howard too!
Dwight Howard
Exp/Starts/MPG/Wins
Rookie/82/32.6/36
2ndYear/82/36.8/36
3rdYear/82/36.9/40
4thYear/82/37.7/52
5thYear/79/35.7/59 - NBA Finals
Anyone can attempt to make an example out of anything and then try to rationalize that it fits a different scenario with different players with difference skillsets with different talents in different situations. It does nothing to change the validity of the notion that the Jazz have stifled and marginalized the development of the Core-4.
 
The Thriller said:
LOL.

going to extremes (like the Wash Wizards organization) to try and prove your point basically concedes the argument. So thank you for waving the white flag so easily.
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From everything I've seen (from people who write about this stuff), it's pretty much a consensus that bigs have a bigger learning curve.
 
You can not generalize jj situation with our youngsters. It changes due to team roster, aim, coach, tactics and all. Do not forget that Magic was superior in 2008 and 2009 so they played final on the end. So when he came to the league, he could not get used to the up tempo (Also, add the facts that Magic was playing small ball Nelson, Bogans, Turk, Rashard and Dwight), defend anyone and add any positive sides except scoring. So Van Gundy's gotta bench him until he learns all. Also just look at the roster of magic at that time, it was an obligation for them to has a defender more in the line up except Howard.

So it was normal for Burks and Kanter to get rookie min last year but unfair for favors. This year it's totally illogical to give them rookie min again when you look at the players playing ahead of them. It's not an award but it's just punishment for them to be better and better. At the end, they may lose their motivation, concentration and willingness to resign here after their rookie contracts done. And no need to mention Reddick did not have lots of buyers a la our youngsters right now. Also if you compare two teams' situation when magic is in prime and jazz now, jazz sucks badly. So why do not you let them play and get ready for the next year? As we know one of Al or Sap will be gone so what?
 
cctrackstar said:
Reddick has a great attitude and Millsap could learn a lot from him.

Question: Favors has had more minutes than Kanter and has been playing basketball a lot longer too. Why is Kanter better than Favors right now?

Answer: Work ethic. Kanter has it, Favors doesn't.
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Favors is a very hard worker. He just doesn't tweet it every second. Just different personalities. And favors is just as good as kanter right now. They both have strengths
 
vslice02 said:
Yep and the Magic took "exactly the same" approach with Dwight Howard too!
Dwight Howard
Exp/Starts/MPG/Wins
Rookie/82/32.6/36
2ndYear/82/36.8/36
3rdYear/82/36.9/40
4thYear/82/37.7/52
5thYear/79/35.7/59 - NBA Finals
Anyone can attempt to make an example out of anything and then try to rationalize that it fits a different scenario with different players with difference skillsets with different talents in different situations. It does nothing to change the validity of the notion that the Jazz have stifled and marginalized the development of the Core-4.
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Burn!
 
vslice02 said:
Yep and the Magic took "exactly the same" approach with Dwight Howard too!
Dwight Howard
Exp/Starts/MPG/Wins
Rookie/82/32.6/36
2ndYear/82/36.8/36
3rdYear/82/36.9/40
4thYear/82/37.7/52
5thYear/79/35.7/59 - NBA Finals
Anyone can attempt to make an example out of anything and then try to rationalize that it fits a different scenario with different players with difference skillsets with different talents in different situations. It does nothing to change the validity of the notion that the Jazz have stifled and marginalized the development of the Core-4.
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Just to point out: the magic did not exceed 40 wins until his fourth year. Jazz are better than they were, but not elite though. So yeah.
 
vslice02 said:
Yep and the Magic took "exactly the same" approach with Dwight Howard too!
Dwight Howard
Exp/Starts/MPG/Wins
Rookie/82/32.6/36
2ndYear/82/36.8/36
3rdYear/82/36.9/40
4thYear/82/37.7/52
5thYear/79/35.7/59 - NBA Finals
Anyone can attempt to make an example out of anything and then try to rationalize that it fits a different scenario with different players with difference skillsets with different talents in different situations. It does nothing to change the validity of the notion that the Jazz have stifled and marginalized the development of the Core-4.
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If anything, everything posted in this thread show there is no evidence that the Jazz have stifled and marginalized their development.

Player's get far more out of practice then they do in-game.

These kids have been playing ball for most of their life. They've all been in the spotlight on their former teams and know how to perform. This isn't their first day on the job people.
 
Revolution 9 said:
This isn't true at all.
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On what basis? Allen Iverson? ;)

Did Paul develop range outside of 5 feet by chucking in games?

Did Burks learn to run a pick and roll by playing it against another team?

The work the player puts in outside of the games defines who they are. Not how many minutes they get on the court.
 
Sandy Braille said:
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--bucks-give-j-j--redick-a-shot-at-relevancy-183209813.html


Pretty cool article.


Also, I think this ties in with an earlier thread of mine, regarding how beneficial it could be to have our players fighting each other for several seasons for rotation minutes.

I think Kanter coming off the bench for his 2nd career start getting a 20/20, and Favors going for 23/15 in 3 quarters agrees with this as well.


People complained all season how Kanter was not getting enough minutes to develop, yet it is obvious to everyone with eyes that he has been improving continuously, and has now put together a string of 3 solid performances.

I think that Al is gone, Millsap will be gone unless he signs for cheap-- leaving us with Fav and Enes. Along with this, I think people will always under appreciate how crucial these first couple of years were to their development, and how much better they could be in the long run.



All Hail KOC.
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JJ complained a lot when he was on the bench. I think he is now just remembering the good old days. Besides the fact that JJ was clearly not ready to play when he came in the league I don't really see how the situations are similar because Kanter has shown when he has gotten minutes to be able to produce big numbers. I had no problem limiting Kanters/Burks minutes last year but when both reported to camp and in great shape and proved they were ready to go in camp then it became a problem. When the vets suck and they sit on the bench I have a problem with sitting guys just for the sake of sitting them. Who is to say if JJ hand played more he wouldn't have taken 4 years to be a decent player.
 
hack said:
i guess jj reddick saying this means lebron james will never win a championship. Oh wait. He did. I thought riding the bench makes you a stud?


Talent, heart, hustle, team play, and defense wins championships. Plain and simple. Not magical playoff experience. Not riding the bench. Not winning culture. None of that b.s.
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vslice02 said:
Yep and the Magic took "exactly the same" approach with Dwight Howard too!
Dwight Howard
Exp/Starts/MPG/Wins
Rookie/82/32.6/36
2ndYear/82/36.8/36
3rdYear/82/36.9/40
4thYear/82/37.7/52
5thYear/79/35.7/59 - NBA Finals
Anyone can attempt to make an example out of anything and then try to rationalize that it fits a different scenario with different players with difference skillsets with different talents in different situations. It does nothing to change the validity of the notion that the Jazz have stifled and marginalized the development of the Core-4.
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and i might be a homer.
or it is just Dwight being a DIVA.
But imho kanter >>>> dwight(speaking potential and work ethic if you compare their 2nd year)
 
Also, you guys are building a nauseating amount of straw men.


My original post IN NO WAY states that "starting players from the get-go means that they will crash and burn".


Hello no.

But I think it is dumb to think that a person can progress into his career without adversity.


Whether it is carrying your team to the playoffs, fighting for rotation minutes, or trying to find out how to stop Dirk and the Mavs in 2011, players continuously improve, and learn new things when faced with difficult situations.



THe purpose of this thread is that PERHAPS our players aren't being as mismanaged as some think-- whether they would be better off starting right off-the-gate will never be known, but quotes like this definitely give us great insight as to how important challenging a player can be.
 
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