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Jae Crowder

Jae can play some minutes at the 4. He can defend the position. That at least gets us more offense at the 4. Hood and Ingles can play at the 3. Mitchell can step in at the 2.
 
dalamon said:
We really gotta go Crowder or bust here, even if it means we send them something back (unlikely).
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We need to think of it as a trade separate from the Hayward situation. If another team was offering Crowder for a draft pick I'd hope Utah would take it. So what if it's Boston? Get it done.
 
Jazz will make this happen. They know the fan base feels stabbed in the back again as every one we train to be awesome leaves. Crowder and his salary is the best situation oppportunity the Jazz have to lick some wounds and even rub some antibiotic cream on it too. We have to stop feeling bad that the competition coward ran to easier competition because he was havingWarrior nightmares. Joe and Rudy aint scared of competition but howdy doody turned out to be a wet willy coward.
 
BOS needs to clear salary to sign Hayward but really has no incentive (as far as I can tell) to include Crowder in a S&T as he certainly has value to other teams. Only way it happens is if it's to appease Hayward.

Otherwise, I'm not sure it makes sense to use assets on him as it likely only helps us tread water in the competitive WC & would burn some of our limited assets. We've been backed into a bit of a corner so getting Crowder in a S&T would be huge (whether we retain/flip him). We need all the assets we can get moving forward, regardless of our future approach to roster construction.
 
Crowder is one of the most overrated players in the league right now. With that said he's still probably an OK starter we can use right now if we are going to compete for playoffs and he's still on a great contract for 3 more years.
 
stitches said:
Crowder is one of the most overrated players in the league right now. With that said he's still probably an OK starter we can use right now if we are going to compete for playoffs and he's still on a great contract for 3 more years.
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I personally think Roberson is and that dude is now getting 10 mill a year. He's literally the worst SG free-throw shooter in the league
 
stitches said:
Crowder is one of the most overrated players in the league right now. With that said he's still probably an OK starter we can use right now if we are going to compete for playoffs and he's still on a great contract for 3 more years.
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What would you be willing, if anything, to give up for him? Personally, I don't see him moving the needle enough (unless we're content with being a 2nd tier team) to justify giving up any of our limited assets for.
 
Shad said:
I personally think Roberson is and that dude is now getting 10 mill a year. He's literally the worst SG free-throw shooter in the league
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42% free-throw shooter and less than 25% at shooting the 3 LOL. Anyone wanna debate the injles contract over that garbage? lol
 
stitches said:
Crowder is one of the most overrated players in the league right now. With that said he's still probably an OK starter we can use right now if we are going to compete for playoffs and he's still on a great contract for 3 more years.
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Crowder had a really good year last year and still has three years left at <8M per. He's a tough and versatile defender and flexible positionally which we shouldn't discount. Last season he had a TS% of 61.3% including 54% from 2 and 39.8% from 3. That's almost off the charts and given how great our staff is developmentally, I see no reason he can't replicate that or even slightly improve upon it. He's never gonna wow anyone offensively but he has averaged more than 14 a game for three straight seasons and with Rubio here, I see no reason that won't carry over, and quite frankly we could use a consistent 14-16 a game from someone.

My main issue is, having given up the OKC 1st already, I really do not want to give up our own 1st next year, unless it is fairly heavily protected. Maybe top 18. Then top 16 in 2019. Then lottery in 2020. Or something like that. But given who we lost and the potential for how bad we could be, I am not giving up that 1st without solid protections.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Crowder had a really good year last year and still has three years left at <8M per. He's a tough and versatile defender and flexible positionally which we shouldn't discount. Last season he had a TS% of 61.3% including 54% from 2 and 39.8% from 3. That's almost off the charts and given how great our staff is developmentally, I see no reason he can't replicate that or even slightly improve upon it. He's never gonna wow anyone offensively but he has averaged more than 14 a game for three straight seasons and with Rubio here, I see no reason that won't carry over, and quite frankly we could use a consistent 14-16 a game from someone.

My main issue is, having given up the OKC 1st already, I really do not want to give up our own 1st next year, unless it is fairly heavily protected. Maybe top 18. Then top 16 in 2019. Then lottery in 2020. Or something like that. But given who we lost and the potential for how bad we could be, I am not giving up that 1st without solid protections.
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I agree. I don't know about the league-wide consensus, but Crowder is definitely underrated by the Celtic fanbase
 
Beantown said:
Celtics pushing hard to move players. Looks like they want to move Bradley over Crowder.

Jazz should get him asap!
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Obviously. Bradley is an expiring. I'd strongly prefer Crowder since he's locked in for three more years.
 
karl malone said:
What would you be willing, if anything, to give up for him? Personally, I don't see him moving the needle enough (unless we're content with being a 2nd tier team) to justify giving up any of our limited assets for.
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I wouldn't be giving up any of our own first round picks unless they are massively protected. I wouldn't be giving any of our youth(Hood, Exum, Mitchell). Having in mind we might lose Favors next year, people have suggested a convoluted way of trading Favors for Crowder+other stuff to make it work, but it gets complicated real fast...
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Crowder had a really good year last year and still has three years left at <8M per. He's a tough and versatile defender and flexible positionally which we shouldn't discount. Last season he had a TS% of 61.3% including 54% from 2 and 39.8% from 3. That's almost off the charts and given how great our staff is developmentally, I see no reason he can't replicate that or even slightly improve upon it. He's never gonna wow anyone offensively but he has averaged more than 14 a game for three straight seasons and with Rubio here, I see no reason that won't carry over, and quite frankly we could use a consistent 14-16 a game from someone.

My main issue is, having given up the OKC 1st already, I really do not want to give up our own 1st next year, unless it is fairly heavily protected. Maybe top 18. Then top 16 in 2019. Then lottery in 2020. Or something like that. But given who we lost and the potential for how bad we could be, I am not giving up that 1st without solid protections.
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Absolutely. Our own picks just got much more valuable. We are one Rudy Gobert injury away from being legit bad. You don't give up a 1st without massive protections on it.
 
stitches said:
I wouldn't be giving up any of our own first round picks unless they are massively protected. I wouldn't be giving any of our youth(Hood, Exum, Mitchell). Having in mind we might lose Favors next year, people have suggested a convoluted way of trading Favors for Crowder+other stuff to make it work, but it gets complicated real fast...
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I agree with not giving up Exum, Hood, or Mitchell & not sure I would even give up any picks regardless of protection (unless we intend on making additional moves to remain competitive-which would be a mistake IMO).

If that's the approach we choose, Favors for Crowder is intriguing (assuming we intend to use him as a 4/3).

What do you mean by it gets complicated? Financially?
 
karl malone said:
I agree with not giving up Exum, Hood, or Mitchell & not sure I would even give up any picks regardless of protection (unless we intend on making additional moves to remain competitive-which would be a mistake IMO).

If that's the approach we choose, Favors for Crowder is intriguing (assuming we intend to use him as a 4/3).

What do you mean by it gets complicated? Financially?
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Well Favors is on more than Crowder, so that means Boston would have to send more players. I think.
 
White Chocolate said:
They only need to trade one of Bradley/Crowder/Smart.

True. They may want to move more. For example, if they strike a deal for Bradley to create space to sign Hayward, they still need to move Crowder -- they want minutes to develop Tatum at the wing (and, well Stayward). And I bet they don't want to pay Bradley after next season, so they'll want to get value for him. My bet is they move 2/3 or 3/3.
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Hayward for Crowder is nice and clean. Just do it already. Sure, Ainge could try to bleed us for a pick, but he still comes out looking like a genius because its Hayward for Crowder. Bradley is much more important to what Boston needs than another SF who might be unhappy.

As for us, I love Crowder. He is an absolutely perfect fit for us. We need a guy who will battle. Overall, check this out 2016 vs 2017:

Rubio/Exum is better than Hill/Mack

Hood/Mitchell/Ingles is better than Hood/Ingles

Bradley is better than Withey

The only place we are worse is Hayward over Crowder. If Crowder pushes us emotionally, I could see this being more minor than people are thinking.

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