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Jazz and Bulls are in active trade discussions regarding Zach LaVine

I don’t see how this helps build a championship team at all.

I’m starting to wonder if getting Markkanen in that deal is a bad blessing in disguise. Because of his emergence the Jazz have kinda done a half tank half run to the playin leaving the Jazz stuck in the middle. It may have actually set us back years.

I am now fully in the trade Lauri camp. We are skipping steps in the rebuild
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Sexton and LaVine would be incredibly dangerous together
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Offensively, they are an ideal fit. The amount of on/off ball share is just right. Defensively, they could be just as dangerous but in a bad way. Lavine is probably over hated for his defense....Sexton is legit horrible but maybe wouldn't be so horrible if he wasn't guarding 2's all the time.
 
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Handlogten's Heros said:
I do think they care about where they finish. I just think if they did a deal it is being opportunistic and believing it can propel you to the playoffs (play in)or they are fine if it ends in a bottom 7 ish finish. If they are in between those options… we know what will happen after AS break.
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I don't think they care about getting the top pick or making the playoffs. It's not their goal to do either and are cool with wherever they land. They may make a micro decision to get their pick back on the fly like have the last two years, but they aren't building a roster to accomplish the "tank" or "win now" directions.

I'm not going to say, play silly games win silly prizes. But this kind of hovering in the middle ensures that the benefits of doing these "opportunistic" moves are minimal. When you're just chilling and being opportunistic, you're probably not going to stumble upon a superteam. You're likely going to be agonizing over what's the difference between overpaying JCx2 or overpaying Lavine.

Who knows, maybe the miracle may come. Mitchell saved the franchise last go around, but without drafting a Mitchell you're just going to be doing this off season.
 
KqWIN said:
I don't think they care about getting the top pick or making the playoffs. It's not their goal to do either and are cool with wherever they land. They may make a micro decision to get their pick back on the fly like have the last two years, but they aren't building a roster to accomplish the "tank" or "win now" directions.

I'm not going to say, play silly games win silly prizes. But this kind of hovering in the middle ensures that the benefits of doing these "opportunistic" moves are minimal. When you're just chilling and being opportunistic, you're probably not going to stumble upon a superteam. You're likely going to be agonizing over what's the difference between overpaying JCx2 or overpaying Lavine.

Who knows, maybe the miracle may come. Mitchell saved the franchise last go around, but without drafting a Mitchell you're just going to be doing this off season.
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I think they care where they finish. Why wouldn't they care deeply about that? Especially with the fact there are some places you finish that have a huge long term benefit or penalty. I think they are opportunistic and don't have a "plan" per se but not completely floating.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think they care where they finish. Why wouldn't they care deeply about that? Especially with the fact there are some places you finish that have a huge long term benefit or penalty. I think they are opportunistic and don't have a "plan" per se but not completely floating.
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I'm speaking about their approach to the off season. I do not see them deeply caring about making the playoffs next year or being at the top of the lottery. Like I said, I think they care enough to make on the fly, micro decisions (especially around the draft pick) but I highly doubt that the FO is thinking 1) we need to get a top pick or 2) we need to make the playoffs. I think the teams that deeply care about those things are obvious. Like we know the Kings are doing everything they can to make it back to the playoffs next year. We're definitely not them and we're definitely not a team like the Blazers who are not interested in winning at all next year.
 
KqWIN said:
I'm speaking about their approach to the off season. I do not see them deeply caring about making the playoffs next year or being at the top of the lottery. Like I said, I think they care enough to make on the fly, micro decisions (especially around the draft pick) but I highly doubt that the FO is thinking 1) we need to get a top pick or 2) we need to make the playoffs. I think the teams that deeply care about those things are obvious. Like we know the Kings are doing everything they can to make it back to the playoffs next year. We're definitely not them and we're definitely not a team like the Blazers who are not interested in winning at all next year.
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I think we are less concerned about making the play in but definitely care where we finish this year. It may not factor into every decision but one as big as Lavine I would think we would factor it in. I think we will be mindful not to push the gas too hard if we think it only makes us a play in team. Not sure we care too much about finishing like 4th worst vs 8th worst record per se as there might be other priorities there.

I'm fine disagreeing here as the FO seems to have no real concrete plans and guessing what they care about is probably akin to guessing what my dog is thinking sometimes. Sometimes it seems obvious and other times I have no effing clue what she is barking at.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I keep hearing they want another big as well. Could be a WK destination.
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Bulls with Derozan, Barnes, Huerter, Vuc... really testing the limits of what a fan will watch.

Yeah WK to Memphis, OKC, Sac seems to make a lot of sense.
 
Depending on the price I really like this. Assuming, only, that Lauri is kept and extended.

If we could get him for some package like Collins, Clarkson, and our pile of draft capital in this crap draft, I think it's a no-brainer.
 
MT Steve said:
They haven't been close to the vest at all with Ainge.
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I disagree. No “experts“ had talked about, posted about, or said anything about the Cleveland trade. Everybody was under the assumption that the jazz and New York were going to make a trade when the Cleveland trade came out of the blue. They also have not forecasted any of their other trades, including Collins. Usually where there’s been smoke, there hasn’t been fire with the jazz.
 
baka98 said:
I disagree. No “experts“ had talked about, posted about, or said anything about the Cleveland trade. Everybody was under the assumption that the jazz and New York were going to make a trade when the Cleveland trade came out of the blue. They also have not forecasted any of their other trades, including Collins. Usually where there’s been smoke, there hasn’t been fire with the jazz.
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What?

There were talks of the Jazz interest in Collins WELL before that trade was made.
 
MT Steve said:
They haven't been close to the vest at all with Ainge.
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Yes they have. No mock has any idea what the Jazz are doing outside of they know Utah likes size (newsflash that's the entire NBA).

I think in general the entire NBA is much more tight lipped these days.
 
How's about this:

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Kings get an All Star/best player in the trade. This only happens if the Kings want Zach Lavine and I don't know if they do. They may want draft considerations like the 29th pick or maybe we can sign and trade Kris Dunn in the deal to sweeten it for the Kings. Not sure the mechanics on S&Ts these days.

Bulls clear $25 million from the books and get two players who will help in the immediate future for two who aren't even playing. GM gets his restart for the cost of the 11th pick in a reportedly below average draft.

Jazz absorb Lonzo's Balls with the hopes of him returning to form for a 1st round pick while trying potentially better fits with Lauri.

I like this version much better than picking up Zach but it would require the Kings to want Lavine bad enough. They have reportedly been throwing Huerter and Barnes in all sorts of trade scenarios so I think they are not beloved in Sacland.
 
MT Steve said:
What?

There were talks of the Jazz interest in Collins WELL before that trade was made.
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Yes, there were talks of jazz interest in Collins, but there was never any scuttlebutt about what the trade would actually be until after the trade happened. In any case, there was nothing about the Cleveland trade, so I don’t see how you can say the jazz haven’t kept anything close to the vest.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
How's about this:

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Kings get an All Star/best player in the trade. Maybe we can sign and trade Kris Dunn in the deal to sweeten it for the Kings. Not sure the mechanics on S&Ts these days.

Bulls swap clear $60 million and get two players who will help in the immediate future for two who aren't even playing. GM gets his restart for the cost of the 11th pick in a reportedly below average draft.

Jazz absorb Lonzo's Balls with the hopes of him returning to form for a 1st round pick while trying potentially better fits with Lauri. I like this version much better than picking up Zach but it would require the Kings to want Lavine bad enough. They have been reportedly been throwing Huerter and Barnes in all sorts of trade scenarios so I think they are not beloved in Sacland.
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I would think this prevents Utah from extending Lauri so probably a no
 
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