Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

[David Hume]

The perfidious Knicks fans on RealGM posted this lamentable image of Jazz-Knicks negotiators. Our emissary Daniel Ray Ainge declines all manner of such dress nor does he espouse North Korean sympathies. All of Edinburgh is aghast; verily, I almost spit out my sheepshead stew at the sight of this derangement.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

If the assets don't include anyone worth watching this year (again, my standards aren't high...I'll settle for an Obi Toppin), then fine, do whatever, but it doesn't mean I have to watch this team this season.

Obi Toppi is the only player that I think has to be in the trade. It is a position of weakness for the Jazz and he would be fun to watch. I want Quickley more than Grimes and with their signing of Brunson, I could see them wanting to add Quickley more than grimes because Grimes has more size.

I like Reddish but that would not be a deal breaker if they did not want to add him. I know they want to keep their depth but his salary may be needed.

I want Fournier more than Rose as I think Fournier has more value to contending teams. Everyone wants more scoring off the bench.

I think adding Rudy Gay into the trade is a necessity. It would be a good bench add for the Knicks too.

If we take Quickley there is no need to add Duece McBride to the deal unless it is necessary for salary reasons.

Getting as many draft picks as DA can squeeze out but getting quality over quantity is more important.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

Some interesting overseas players that the Knicks own the rights too

Rokas Jokubaitis - 6'4" PG age: 21 - Has some potential.

Ognjen Jaramaz - 6'4" SG age: 26

Nikola Radicevic - 6'5" PG age: 28

 

[SteakNEggs]

It's either go through a rebuild 3 years from now with even fewer assets or start it now with a lot more.

Take your pick.

This is my concern. We have basically 2 seasons, since there no way we are a championship caliber team right now, to build a championship team and when Donovan leaves, we literally have nothing outside if high draft picks.

 

[idiot]

Man, have you watched the Manti Te'o Netflix documentary yet? Some pretty wild stuff.

The whole situation 10 years ago, and now the documentary is likely a pretty revealing Rorschach test on all kinds of things: sports heroism, the media, sexuality, fame, the internet, religion/culture, etc.

(Yes I know I'm off topic; just didn't want this buried the General Discussion or General Sports forums. I'm not asking for a discussion of this, but just recommending as a documentary work watching.)

 

[Peter Effin' Parker]

Man, have you watched the Manti Te'o Netflix documentary yet? Some pretty wild stuff.

The whole situation 10 years ago, and now the documentary is likely a pretty revealing Rorschach test on all kinds of things: sports heroism, the media, sexuality, fame, the internet, religion/culture, etc.

(Yes I know I'm off topic; just didn't want this buried the General Discussion or General Sports forums. I'm not asking for a discussion of this, but just recommending as a documentary work watching.)

What's it called?

 

[idiot]

What's it called?

Untold: The Girlfriend Who Didn’t Exist

 

[idiot]

Pay attention to at your own peril:

 

[Elizah Huge]

LeBron just signed an extension. Expect them to move some picks now. Preferably to us.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Pay attention to at your own peril:

RJ + 4 or 5 1sts would be ****ing amazing.

This is why I never bought the talk that we didn’t want RJ. I don’t know if we end up getting him but if we don’t we get extra added. I would love to get him though.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Of course the Jazz want RJ Barrett.

Do they want him more than the unprotected picks? Maybe not, but the idea that the Jazz would turn their nose up at RJ being in the deal is ludicrous and always has been.

 

[idiot]

RJ + 4 or 5 1sts would be ****ing amazing.

This is why I never bought the talk that we didn’t want RJ. I don’t know if we end up getting him but if we don’t we get extra added. I would love to get him though.

Maybe just the Knicks managing fans' expectations about the trade. Easier to sell more picks + Grimes, etc if you can argue that you didn't give into Ainge's demands for Barrett. (Wouldn't be the worst outcome if that's what it is.)

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Untold: The Girlfriend Who Didn’t Exist

Interesting. I was super captivated by the story as it was unfolding in the news, so I'll probably check it out. Although, for some reason, I'm kind of over it.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Pay attention to at your own peril:

This aligns with my previous post about how the Knicks keep leaking great trade packages that we are turning down (although no mention of pick protections here), and making the Jazz seem unreasonable in their negotiations. Just more of the PR games.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Of course the Jazz want RJ Barrett.

Do they want him more than the unprotected picks? Maybe not, but the idea that the Jazz would turn their nose up at RJ being in the deal is ludicrous and always has been.

I think it’s actually a slight benefit that he is extension eligible. Sign him to a 5 year deal that starts at the max and stays flat or slightly declines and that deal will have a very low chance at being a bad contract given where the cap is headed. Have team control for 6 years. You can only use so much of your salary cap for dumping contracts. Not gonna be a whole lot of better uses for future and current space than that.

 

[idiot]

Of course the Jazz want RJ Barrett.

Do they want him more than the unprotected picks? Maybe not, but the idea that the Jazz would turn their nose up at RJ being in the deal is ludicrous and always has been.

This is kind of the thing I don't fully buy when everyone talks about how much we fleeced Minnesota and how we're trying to fleece the Knicks.

• SGA was part of the return for Paul George
• Ingram and Ball were part of the AD trade
• Deron Williams netted us two consecutive years' #3 draft picks (Favors & Kanter)
• Gallinari was part of the Carmelo trade
• even the Jrue Holiday trade brought back the productive/tradable Stephen Adams

There are no real studs in the Wolves deal and most of the proposed Knicks deals coming back to us (with all due respect to Grimes and Vanderbilt). Just a bunch of pieces that, as of now, have a likely outcome as useful role player or minor trade chip.

So without this highly regarded player, the "haul" isn't really as great as it's made out to be. It shouldn't be so surprising that we get more picks instead.

 

[idiot]

Interesting. I was super captivated by the story as it was unfolding in the news, so I'll probably check it out. Although, for some reason, I'm kind of over it.

There's so much more that the documentary covers. If twitter is a guide, quite a lot of viewers who thought they knew the story found it jaw dropping.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This is kind of the thing I don't fully buy when everyone talks about how much we fleeced Minnesota and how we're trying to fleece the Knicks.

• SGA was part of the return for Paul George
• Ingram and Ball were part of the AD trade
• Deron Williams netted us two consecutive years' #3 draft picks (Favors & Kanter)
• Gallinari was part of the Carmelo trade
• even the Jrue Holiday trade brought back the productive/tradable Stephen Adams

There are no real studs in the Wolves deal and most of the proposed Knicks deals coming back to us (with all due respect to Grimes and Vanderbilt). Just a bunch of pieces that, as of now, have a likely outcome as useful role player or minor trade chip.

So without this highly regarded player, the "haul" isn't really as great as it's made out to be. It shouldn't be so surprising that we get more picks instead.

Yup, which is why we hopefully use the assets we got in the T'Wolves trade sooner rather than later. They will only devalue year to year when it's clear the Wolves are very very good.

 

[Elizah Huge]

This is kind of the thing I don't fully buy when everyone talks about how much we fleeced Minnesota and how we're trying to fleece the Knicks.

• SGA was part of the return for Paul George
• Ingram and Ball were part of the AD trade
• Deron Williams netted us two consecutive years' #3 draft picks (Favors & Kanter)
• Gallinari was part of the Carmelo trade
• even the Jrue Holiday trade brought back the productive/tradable Stephen Adams

There are no real studs in the Wolves deal and most of the proposed Knicks deals coming back to us (with all due respect to Grimes and Vanderbilt). Just a bunch of pieces that, as of now, have a likely outcome as useful role player or minor trade chip.

So without this highly regarded player, the "haul" isn't really as great as it's made out to be. It shouldn't be so surprising that we get more picks instead.

We got 3 unprotected 1sts, a top-5 protected 1st and their #22 pick in this years draft. That’s essentially 5 unprotected 1sts plus a pick swap plus a ton of players who could net us even more picks. It quite literally might end up being one of the biggest hauls in NBA history.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

We got 3 unprotected 1sts, a top-5 protected 1st and their #22 pick in this years draft. That’s essentially 5 unprotected 1sts plus a pick swap plus a ton of players who could net us even more picks. It quite literally might end up being one of the biggest hauls in NBA history.

We got Walker Kessler, a guy we would all have been relatively upset about drafting in the 1st round.