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Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

If Knicks are actually serious they put 3 unprotected and Toppin IQ on the table real quick to make a real offer. At very least if you gonna offer just two unprotected all the protected ones better be in the deal and Grimes.
 
Chargers Jazz Angels said:
The Jazz offer of Conley, Bev, Bogdanovic, and Clarkson is FAR superior to that offer.
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The most hilarious thing is for them to be like “we gotta get rid of Randle… team X will give us two firsts for him”. He has negative value in a trade. They’d count themselves lucky to get off his money without giving up a pick. We really need him to stay there cuz he could eff up their whole program.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If Knicks are actually serious they put 3 unprotected and Toppin IQ on the table real quick to make a real offer. At very least if you gonna offer just two unprotected all the protected ones better be in the deal and Grimes.
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You're playing around with what is as valuable to us as a Knicks '27 unprotected first round pick. I'm not sure multiple bad picks or Grimes really gets there. I think we have to have at least one unprotected pick in '26 or later.
 
Here's a question on pick swaps. Would pick swaps prevent us from dealing our own picks in the pick swap years? My assumption is that if you sell your pick in a pick swap year that the swap is just voided, but I'm not sure.

I don't think it's a big deal, but was just curious. If we got really good really quick and wanted to add talent, that could limit some flexibility.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If Knicks are actually serious they put 3 unprotected and Toppin IQ on the table real quick to make a real offer. At very least if you gonna offer just two unprotected all the protected ones better be in the deal and Grimes.
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I suspect New York begins to realize that Ainge saying he had "other offers they like" is no bluff and will either move quickly or back off entirely. KD staying in Brooklyn probably unlocked the assets for a Mitchell deal for another team.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
You're playing around with what is as valuable to us as a Knicks '27 unprotected first round pick. I'm not sure multiple bad picks or Grimes really gets there. I think we have to have at least one unprotected pick in '26 or later.
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The scenario I outlined in an earlier post would be what I go for... give us 2023 and 2028 picks unprotected... work in swaps on 25/27 with the Minny pick. That way they can justify giving us the other stuff because at the 2024 draft they could move 24/26/30 picks for their second "star". You still get the upside of the Knicks picks in 4 years but take the lionshare of the others stuff for doing so.

But yeah... I get your drift here. Was just thinking of alternate solutions that might work for both parties.
 
TheStormofWar said:
I suspect New York begins to realize that Ainge saying he had "other offers they like" is no bluff and will either move quickly or back off entirely. KD staying in Brooklyn probably unlocked the assets for a Mitchell deal for another team.
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It has that effect... it also has an effect on Don's camp. KD just demanded out... made a **** storm... looks like an ***... and in the end the team said "nah".

So our threat of we keep Don has more teeth. They can say he will ask out sooner or later... and we say "cool... how'd that work for KD and Kyrie?".

Thank you Nets!
 
The second domino is still September 6th... if we get close to camp and nothing is figured out... I can see Danny saying we are rolling forward and discontinuing talks.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It has that effect... it also has an effect on Don's camp. KD just demanded out... made a **** storm... looks like an ***... and in the end the team said "nah".

So our threat of we keep Don has more teeth. They can say he will ask out sooner or later... and we say "cool... how'd that work for KD and Kyrie?".

Thank you Nets!
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Don's professionalism on this helps a ton as well. I hope we can get him somewhere where'll he'll be happy.
 
Jingled said:
Checketts says someone from the Jazz told him there is a team that hasn't been reported yet that's made an offer for Don that they like quite a bit. Andy says Miami has offered a lot and some in the Jazz organization like Tyler Herro.


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So, for all the variations of the Knicks trades that I have read, I haven't seen anything creative or thinking out of the box beyond Charlotte, Orlando, and Toronto.

I think that the Pelicans would add a really dangerous piece and be a team to reckon with for a long time if they paired Donovan with Zion, Ingram, McCollum, and Herb Jones. That's a vicious crew. Having said that, I am not sure that their picks are worth the same as the Knicks but if I were New Orleans, I would LOVE this lineup. Ingram, Spida, and McCollum can all score from 3 levels. Jones and Zion can defend 1 - 5.

I would expect the Jazz would require 4 unprotected firsts, 3 draft swaps in alternating years. But, we may require Herb Jones in a deal which may make it tough for New Orleans to want to do because he is a stud defender that is exactly what a team like that would need.

Anyways, here's to a bit of creativity on the mystery other teams that we really like. 3 - 4 young players (w/ or w/out Herb), 1 longer contract, all the draft capital we want, and New Orleans keeps their core but adds Donovan to it. I think it's a win for them. Is it enough for us?


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NUMBERICA said:
Kyrie staying also benefits the Jazz with the Lakers.

Two big dominoes just fell. Or didn’t. Maybe the metaphor is getting a bit stretched.
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Then the two dominoes were removed from the table. Either way... we are in the end game here.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The most hilarious thing is for them to be like “we gotta get rid of Randle… team X will give us two firsts for him”. He has negative value in a trade. They’d count themselves lucky to get off his money without giving up a pick. We really need him to stay there cuz he could eff up their whole program.
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It must be depressing for Knicks fans to know that 1. The Jazz have a superstar they want and they would need to empty the bank on. 2. Even after that superstar is dealt, the Jazz still have better pieces to trade for Westbrook dump than they do.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The scenario I outlined in an earlier post would be what I go for... give us 2023 and 2028 picks unprotected... work in swaps on 25/27 with the Minny pick. That way they can justify giving us the other stuff because at the 2024 draft they could move 24/26/30 picks for their second "star". You still get the upside of the Knicks picks in 4 years but take the lionshare of the others stuff for doing so.

But yeah... I get your drift here. Was just thinking of alternate solutions that might work for both parties.
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If we want to really needle them we can ask for swaps that give them the worst of the 3 picks - worst of 2025 UTA, NYK, MIN picks... worst of 2027 UTA, NYK, MIN picks.
 
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