The Fresh Prince
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Besides the KD drama, Danny Ainge really made the Jazz the talk of the league this off season.
Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones
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And that's why we got 1 game on TV. They be tired of us
I listened to the podcast. I don't think this is quite what they were reporting as a whole (though it's something they may believe, and they may have said what they believe at points in the podcast).
I think they were reporting the Jazz are motivated to get the Knicks best offer on the table before training camp begins. That fits the narrative for those who believe that the Jazz want to see Donovan gone. But it also fits the narrative for those who believe that the Jazz will only trade Donovan if the Knicks give them what they want (the Tony reporting). If the Knicks don't meet the price, then the Jazz probably want that as a deadline to move on and prepare for the season.
Everybody that's on the "Jazz are 100% going for the long tank" narrative keeps failing to mention the Fontecchio signing. Whether you believe it's just a play on an asset that can be moved later or that the Jazz have real interest in him long-term, it at least deserves consideration that this guy, at 27 years old this coming year, really doesn't fit the "be bad in '23, '24, '25 +" timeline.
By the way, looks like he had a 21/8/6 line against Georgia in a game in which Gallinari may have seriously injured his knee (MRI still pending).
By the way, looks like he had a 21/8/6 line against Georgia in a game in which Gallinari may have seriously injured his knee (MRI still pending).
I mean Windhorst did say that from talking to people around the league it sounds like the Jazz want to get the deal done before training camp.
My guess is, as an international prospect, the Fontecchio deal had been in the works for a long time. It could give some credence to the idea that we were actually planning on retooling around Don and Gobert until the Minnesota deal came through.
I don't think Simone's deal is really that conclusive though. He's never played in an NBA game and there is still a risk he's not an NBA level talent. It could be just as likely that they see him as an asset that could be bought cheap, and sold higher.
I don’t know sounded like they were reporting it to me.
All time homerism and unrealistic expectations. The idea that Danny gives us something for nothing was bizarre
Ok, gotcha. With Doke and Kessler minutes I was assuming Don and company were gone and we were in full tank mode.
Chargers Jazz Angels
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honestly, with Holgrens injury I worry about drafting someone like Wemby. Foot injuries are dangerous for big men and they are so common.
So they were reporting an interpretation (made by others around the league) and then saying they agreed with that interpretation. Not reporting that the Jazz will definitely make a trade even if the Knicks don't give them what they want.
Look, I understand why everyone is saying this (that Jazz will 100% trade) is the only interpretation that make sense, or "pay attention to what the Jazz do, and not what they say." People saying this may well be right. It makes a lot of sense.
I'm just saying it's not the only possible interpretation.
If the Jazz trade Mitchell for 2 unprotected picks, plus Fournier and Quickly (and maybe 2-3 protected picks), or anything else that's clearly inferior to the Gobert package, then it's clear that the "Jazz will surely trade Mitchell" position is correct. If the Jazz keep Mitchell for another year, then that argument is clearly wrong. Anything else, I suppose, will leave us with room for continued argument.
What it sounded like to me is that the fact they were reporting is that the Jazz are trying to goose the Knicks into upping their offer by the opening of training camp. What to make of this fact is where interpretation comes in. They were also reporting and seeming to agree with the interpretation that many seem to share around the league (a reasonable one, I acknowledge) that this means the Jazz definitely intend to make a trade. But this is still an interpretation.
It's still reasonable (if not the most popular stance) to have the Tony/Cy interpretation: sure the Jazz will trade Donovan if the price is right, but they won't if the Knicks don't send back what they think is sufficient (which is a pretty high price).
I hate to put another bad metaphor into circulation, but here it goes. It's kind of like the difference between saying that Don's for sale or that Don is part of the fire sale the Jazz are holding. I do think that there's likely a bit of fire-sale to the Jazz's plans, mainly for older players: Pat Bev, Conley, Bojan, Gay, maybe Clarkson. But I'm not as convinced that Don is part of the fire sale. I kind of lean toward the position that the Jazz will hold onto him for now if the price isn't right (for better or for worse). Could be wrong though. I often am.
FrenchJazzFa
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You also forget that our planet is flat. Which also explain why Rudy can't shoot.
Ineptimusprime
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Marv Stein reporting to expect Lakers to be involved in the Jazz/Knicks trade.
It just makes too much sense. We first brought this idea up on here damn near 2 months ago.
Engorged On Unborn Gore
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Price goes up, not down, if Westbrook is being added to the equation. So, 7 picks instead of 5.
All this really does is add another set of eyes staring across the table at the Knicks to get the deal done. New York is going to drop a sh!+-ton on this deal no matter what the equation is, no matter what anyone thinks.
All this really does is add another set of eyes staring across the table at the Knicks to get the deal done. New York is going to drop a sh!+-ton on this deal no matter what the equation is, no matter what anyone thinks.