Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'd say that betting on the Knicks having a less than .333 winning percentage is far below a 50-50 bet. The only teams that made it season were clearly trying to tank.

Well yeah, they would win more games later in the year when teams who are tanking start tanking.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The Knicks being good in a fluky year may be the worst thing that could happen... they are anchored mentally to themselves as a #4 seed... when they are closer to what they were last year. Brunson helps... so would Don obviously... but they will more likely than not be a play in or damn close to it.

Brunson's life is about to be very different. He played next to a GOAT. Now he plays next to Julius Randle.

IDK if he is that guy tbh.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I just looked at the east... get the 23 pick from the Knicks... unless they win the play in tournament they will be in the lotto.

Bucks
Sixers
Heat
Celtics
Raptors
Cavs
Hawks

All clearly better than Knicks with Don when healthy...

Bulls, Wiz, Nets, Knicks compete for 8-10th spots.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The Knicks being good in a fluky year may be the worst thing that could happen... they are anchored mentally to themselves as a #4 seed... when they are closer to what they were last year. Brunson helps... so would Don obviously... but they will more likely than not be a play in or damn close to it.

But Randle also peaked that year and will probably only get worse. He has massive potential to be an anchor for them in the worst way.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Brunson's life is about to be very different. He played next to a GOAT. Now he plays next to Julius Randle.

IDK if he is that guy tbh.

Someone brought up (think it was Nate Duncan) they have 3 lefties that like to attack from the right side of the court... spacing gonna be an issue.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

View: https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1547641014801686529

Makes sense. Boston, Milwaukee, Philly, Miami, Toronto, Cleveland... Knicks are probably there with Atlanta and Chicago. Charlotte will take a step back. Who knows what's going on in Brooklyn.

 

[idiot]

I don't think it really changes anything at all, but you want to play all ends against the middle and push an offer.

I'm not in business (in any sense of the term). You're going to have to explain what this means to me and how this applies to the Shams/TJ report (which seems to say that the Jazz have stopped playing other teams against the Knicks).

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

With Mitchell, I think the Knicks could be a 45-win team and be in the 6 - 9-seed range with Cleveland, Atlanta and Chicago. That assumes Brooklyn blows up.

Toronto should take another step with Barnes. Cleveland gets Jarrett Allen back and Mobley probably takes a step. Cleveland's rookie will also help. Dejounte Murray on a properly-spaced floor will have an impact.

 

[mdalby]

Do the teams now get forced to make moves now that Ayton has signed with Indiana? Does this force teams to speed up timelines? Does PHX match which would then limit Nets options? Would limited Nets options limit Knicks thinking there is risk from other teams?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Someone brought up (think it was Nate Duncan) they have 3 lefties that like to attack from the right side of the court... spacing gonna be an issue.

Someone brought up (think it was Nate Duncan) they have 3 lefties that like to attack from the right side of the court... spacing gonna be an issue.

Seems kind of galaxy brained to me. I'm sure they all got preferences, but I'm sure they could figure that out.

The issue will be defense.

 

[TheStormofWar]

Do the teams now get forced to make moves now that Ayton has signed with Indiana? Does this force teams to speed up timelines? Does PHX match which would then limit Nets options? Would limited Nets options limit Knicks thinking there is risk from other teams?

Not really. Utah could be involved in any other trade for KD due to assets we have and Donovan, if the Nets desired him. Phoenix is only out of the KD Derby and that was the most obvious avenue to get Donnie to Brooklyn. Knicks are still bidding against Miami and other teams for Don's services.

 

[cowhide]

Trying to build a team around Mitchell is like trying to build a team around Kyrie. He's good, really good, but he can't carry a team on his own. He's also a mercurial personality who demands the limelight and isn't always a team player. Mitchell says he's about winning, and I'm sure he'd like to be on a team where there are other All Stars to carry him, but he's taking the Carmelo path.

I'm sure Ainge saw this right away, since he had Kyrie for 2 years.

Are you seriously putting DM in the same category as that nut job Kyrie? Please not even close. No one knows what happens behind closed doors unless they were there. I don't know who this reporter is but he is just trying to make a name for himself and bad mouth DM out the door. If this was true a long time ago why not say something? I am just ready for all the rumors to go away and know what guys will be on the Jazz next year.

I like the deal on the table with Rose because he is expiring. No Randle and either give us Grimes or RJ or no deal. Knicks just spent a ton of money on Brunson and then bringing in DM. They have RJ so they have plenty of guards. I would say keep Quickley and give us Grimes and a 2029 pick swap. Get the deal done Danny. hahahahhaa

 

[idiot]

Someone brought up (think it was Nate Duncan) they have 3 lefties that like to attack from the right side of the court... spacing gonna be an issue.

Guess I'm arguing just to argue now, but why would it be an issue to have 3 lefties, but nobody ever talks about it being an issue when teams have three righties (which is most teams)?

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Are you seriously putting DM in the same category as that nut job Kyrie? Please not even close. No one knows what happens behind closed doors unless they were there. I don't know who this reporter is but he is just trying to make a name for himself and bath mouth DM out the door. If this was true a long time ago why not say something? I like the deal on the table with Rose because he is expiring. No Randle and either give us Grimes or RJ or no deal. Knicks just spent a ton of money on Brunson and then bringing in DM. They have RJ so they have plenty of guards. I would say keep Quickley and give us Grimes and a 2029 pick swap. Get the deal done Danny. hahahahhaa

I'm comparing Mitchell to Kyrie as a player, not a nutjob. Think Cleveland trying to build around Kyrie.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Guess I'm arguing just to argue now, but why would it be an issue to have 3 lefties, but nobody ever talks about it being an issue when teams have three righties (which is most teams)?

They might all prefer to occupy the same space on the court. Kinda like the rockets with Barkley Olajuwon and Drexler... may not be an issue at all. I think some lefties have stronger tendencies than righties. I don't think its a big issue but it was kinda interesting.

Either way they don't have a lot of shooting.

 

[nateboz]

Dude… what? Who has demanded a trade outside of Davis and Durant?

It can also go the opposite way and you be stuck in basketball purgatory paying 60M to guys like Lillard and Beal well into their mid-30’s.

I guess you forgot about Deron Williams. Carmello. Kyrie. Westbrook. Chris Paul. Ben Simmon. Harden. Paul George. Kahwi Leonard.
Then look at teams who have there star player just leave in free agency. That list is like 5 guys every year.

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[nateboz]

There's nothing you can do about player movement unless you want to incentivize the players with more money, which just hurts small market teams.

You make it so a max can't be traded, they will just sign for slightly under the max or they won't sign at all and will somewhere else. Also, why would teams want that? What if the team wants to trade the player. That would make matching max contracts to your maybe not quite max RFA much more dangerous.

There's just not a lot you can do about movement. Players will manipulate things to get what they want just like the owners do the same.

Getting rid on max contracts, having a real salary cap. Making a rule that forces players to stay on the same team for 75% of the contract they signed. Player movement is fun for the unknowns but it has really hurt the NBA too.

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[stitches]

Also that Austin Hornton thing just confirms how ugly the whole Covid situation was with Gobert/Mitchell.

Gobert got thrown the **** under the bus, run over, and reversed on, just so Mitchell could have some reason for a ****ing grievance. Pathetic ****.

THIS!!! THIS! I've been saying this for a while. Gobert deserved the initial lashout for his irresponsible behavior. BUT... at some point after he took responsibility and showed contrition this organization should have stood behind him and supported him and they didn't. They left him out to dry and they left him to be the world's whipping boy for months and months because they were worried about how Mitchell would react.

 

[stitches]

Quite the contrary. We are going to be cool as **** when we have 20+ 1sts in the next 7 years. We are getting Wembanyama or Henderson.

If we get Wembanyama I will be perfectly good watching him in any uniform Ryan wishes to put on the floor. Even the construction worker yellow ones!

 

[Shad]

Give us Wembanyama!