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Jazz have arguably the worst bench in the league

KD's Framily said:
Well at least we agree on one thing. As long as a given team gets rid of virtually all its other talent at center, Kanter should be a starter.
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I guess he accepted this role this season because he knows he will be an important piece of the Thunder future and they trust him.

Let's see what these playoffs will show about Kanter. You once admitted to be a huge Kevin Durant fan, so I guess you will watch Kanter playing in the playoffs.
 
Pleiss has one more guaranteed year. Will he contribute at all? Maybe they can trade him for a ramen packet.
 
Diamond77 said:
Let's see what these playoffs will show about Kanter. You once admitted to be a huge Kevin Durant fan, so I guess you will watch Kanter playing in the playoffs.
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I imagine it won't be any different from what we've already seen. Kanter will have a few great offensive games because other teams are focused on stopping Durant/Westbrook, and you will let the entire board know about it. When people correctly point out to you that their problem with Kanter was never his offense, but his defense (which is why his minutes per game in OKC are even lower than they were in Utah), you will ignore this point entirely to lament the fact that Jazz fans refuse to give Kanter any credit.

Sound about right?
 
KD's Framily said:
I imagine it won't be any different from what we've already seen. Kanter will have a few great offensive games because other teams are focused on stopping Durant/Westbrook, and you will let the entire board know about it. When people correctly point out to you that their problem with Kanter was never his offense, but his defense (which is why his minutes per game in OKC are even lower than they were in Utah), you will ignore this point entirely to lament the fact that Jazz fans refuse to give Kanter any credit.

Sound about right?
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Frankly speaking after yesterday's Jazz loss, I don't have intention to follow the playoffs right now.
 
KD's Framily said:
Oh, I agree he wasn't handled correctly during that time. Honestly, if during that point Kanter had demanded a trade, I wouldn't have blamed him at all.

My problem with him was how he and his agent both said that they didn't have any problems with Snyder, and cited the Corbin era as part of the reason why he was demanding a trade. Odd to demand a trade when the problem was long gone. The truth was that he didn't like his minutes being reduced because he couldn't play defense. So now he's on a team where his minutes are even further reduced because he can't play defense. Funny how that worked.
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The NCAA wouldn't let him play in college.. It's easy to see why he became bitter, especially when his basic stats were robust on a per minute basis.

If they keep Kanter do they draft a player like Lyles?? Perhaps they'd have went with Devin Booker? Thats a 50-win team IMO and the draft pick would only be a few spots lower...

There would've been plenty of minutes for Kanter off the bench..

Portland signed him to that deal too so 2 teams think he's worth that money.. That contract is justified considering his production, at 23. He causes scoring surges all by himself, which is what this offence could've used... (Lyles & Booker provided it in a bunch of games though)

Which means he'd have still been very tradeable even as a bench player getting paid all that $$.. Luckily that extra 2018 pick figures to be in a good year for bigs..

I understand if they got rid of him because he became a bad seed, he probably felt it was a toxic environment, and looking back it probably was.. .What was all that Al-fense about if they were just going to let Millsap and Al walk.. Should've traded either one of them for the pennies they got back for Kanter.
 
Our bench was 25th in the league, scoring 32.2 per game. The Pistons bench was the worst scoring just 25.9.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
Our bench was 25th in the league, scoring 32.2 per game. The Pistons bench was the worst scoring just 25.9.
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The difference is the Pistons bench was bad because their starters do all the scoring and play tons of minutes, and bout an eighth of their salary cap is still going to Josh Smith..

While the Jazz bench was bad because they set it up that way on purpose..
 
PG_AB said:
The difference is the Pistons bench was bad because their starters do all the scoring and play tons of minutes, and bout an eighth of their salary cap is still going to Josh Smith..

While the Jazz bench was bad because they set it up that way on purpose..
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Disagree with the Jazz setting up their bench to be bad on purpose. They certainly could've improved it after the Exum injury as the PG position was clearly going to be a major weakness but prior to the injuries, the team appeared to have the makings of an at least average bench.

-Neto was a question mark but there was reason to believe that Burke would carry over his improved play off of the bench from last season

-Burks was expected to be the team's sixth man & instant offense, it was also believed that E.Millsap could continue to provide solid defense

-SF was somewhat of a question mark but Ingles finished the season strong & Johnson had shown some potential, also Hood was expected to get minutes at the 3 with Burks at the 2

-Lyles was a major question mark coming into his rookie season but Booker was coming off of a very solid 1st year with the Jazz, it was also expected that Hayward/Ingles could see some time at the 4 in small ball lineups.

-Whithey was another question mark but with Favors capable of playing the 5, it was less of a concern

The bench was by no means projected to be great but I don't see how it was intentionally constructed to be bad. Our lack of depth/good bench play has been a product of injuries.
 
Last night in the DLeague playoffs our second round draft pick a couple of years ago had 18 points 11 boards and Quinn Cooks 25 points 10 dimes. Would they improve the Jazz bench?
 
karl malone said:
Disagree with the Jazz setting up their bench to be bad on purpose. They certainly could've improved it after the Exum injury as the PG position was clearly going to be a major weakness but prior to the injuries, the team appeared to have the makings of an at least average bench.

-Neto was a question mark but there was reason to believe that Burke would carry over his improved play off of the bench from last season

-Burks was expected to be the team's sixth man & instant offense, it was also believed that E.Millsap could continue to provide solid defense

-SF was somewhat of a question mark but Ingles finished the season strong & Johnson had shown some potential, also Hood was expected to get minutes at the 3 with Burks at the 2

-Lyles was a major question mark coming into his rookie season but Booker was coming off of a very solid 1st year with the Jazz, it was also expected that Hayward/Ingles could see some time at the 4 in small ball lineups.

-Whithey was another question mark but with Favors capable of playing the 5, it was less of a concern

The bench was by no means projected to be great but I don't see how it was intentionally constructed to be bad. Our lack of depth/good bench play has been a product of injuries.
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The thing is, there were servicable, cheap players to be had.. Jeremy Lin went for 2 mil, Bazemore too, Gerald green for little over 1 mil provided 9ppg in an off year.. Thats less then what the Jazz spent on Ingles Neto and Pleiss.

I always thought the faith was misplaced in Millsap and it certainly proved to be.. he was given the benefit of the doubt because of his name. I used to say Chris Johnson was better.


They also took Olivier Hanlan over Norman Powell in the 2nd round. Powell's started 23 games for the #2 seed Raptors, he's shot 37% and he's an outstanding athlete and defender..

'Little' moves like this IMO added up to be the difference between making and missing the playoffs, given how the injuries played out.
 
homeytennis said:
Last night in the DLeague playoffs our second round draft pick a couple of years ago had 18 points 11 boards and Quinn Cooks 25 points 10 dimes. Would they improve the Jazz bench?
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I'm all for Quinn Cook. Are there any other Quinn's from Duke available? #Quinning
 
PG_AB said:
The thing is, there were servicable, cheap players to be had.. Jeremy Lin went for 2 mil, Bazemore too, Gerald green for little over 1 mil provided 9ppg in an off year.. Thats less then what the Jazz spent on Ingles Neto and Pleiss.

I always thought the faith was misplaced in Millsap and it certainly proved to be.. he was given the benefit of the doubt because of his name. I used to say Chris Johnson was better.


They also took Olivier Hanlan over Norman Powell in the 2nd round. Powell's started 23 games for the #2 seed Raptors, he's shot 37% and he's an outstanding athlete and defender..

'Little' moves like this IMO added up to be the difference between making and missing the playoffs, given how the injuries played out.
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I definitely agree that their were multiple missed opportunities to improve the team & would have preferred to see them sign a few of the bargain FA's that you mentioned (especially Lin at the time). I just don't believe that the bench was intentionally constructed to be bad. I believe the FO had more confidence in certain players than it should have, as well as a fear of disrupting chemistry.

Personally I think Millsap was given the benefit of doubt more so on his defensive potential than his name, not to say that didn't play a factor.

Also agree on missing out on minor opportunities to improve which was one of the causes for missing the playoffs. I just disagree that the FO purposely neglected the bench in order to create an intentionally bad unit. I think they didn't recognize available upgrades &/or misjudged some of it's in-house talent.
 
[MENTION=268]Jeff[/MENTION]Zillgitt
Salary cap projection for 2016-17 NBA season: $92 million, per memo sent to league executives.
 
Our bench should be pretty good provided Faves and Gobert are helthy as one of them seem to be in the game at all times. Then u have Mack, Burks, and Lyles who will all provide scoring, and Ingles and Neto to provide some shooting along with Lyles. I have not one problem with the Jazz rolling with this second unit, maybe the Jazz replace Ingles with a better shooter, but I don't see the Jazz doing that much better with someone else in his place.

I think this lineup is a great energizer for the starting unit. I don't see a very big drop off, in fact, I think they can keep things rolling out playing the other teams bench.
 
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