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Jazz have arguably the worst bench in the league

King Cy said:
It's relevant because people are talking about it and to deny Kanter can help the Thunder and that they will win is just sounding bitter, which isnt a good look for Jazz fans.
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Is anybody denying that Kanter can help the Thunder?

Somebody mentioned that Gobert/Kanter to Gobert/Pleiss is a massive downgrade. Context was needed - it's an unfair statement, because the Jazz are ultimately better off for making that trade.
 
PG_AB said:
It's not just one game though. Many here waited with bated breath for the free agency period, and were rather unimpressed with the players signed.. I called them out for it right away.. I was hoping at the very least they'd go after a popular FA like they did with Trevor Booker, instead they chose to try and hold serve, basically as is..



Pleiss is on this team to try and recover some value from the Kanter trade. He wasn't the best option available for that $$$.. Going from Gobert and Kanter to Gobert and Pleiss is an obvious massive downgrade..
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Didn't go from Gobert and Kanter to Gobert and Pleiss. How many minutes did Pleiss and Withey play COMBINED in Game #1? Trick question as they both got DNP-CD's. By cutting ties with Kanter, the Jazz avoided a chemistry and payroll issue and committed to playing Favors and Gobert 35 mins each, with Booker/Lyles getting 26. Kanter didn't want a 6th man role. Ironic, because that is now what he's getting in OKC.
 
PG_AB said:
It's not just one game though. Many here waited with bated breath for the free agency period, and were rather unimpressed with the players signed.. I called them out for it right away.. I was hoping at the very least they'd go after a popular FA like they did with Trevor Booker, instead they chose to try and hold serve, basically as is..



Pleiss is on this team to try and recover some value from the Kanter trade. He wasn't the best option available for that $$$.. Going from Gobert and Kanter to Gobert and Pleiss is an obvious massive downgrade..
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Nope. Getting rid of Kanter is a massive upgrade.
 
gomretat said:
After the first game of the season many Cougar fans thought they were destined for a NY6 bowl game. Lets not overreact to one game.
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Wrong.
We had just lost our best player at the most important position on the team in the toughest part of the schedule and were forced to start a qb that had never played before and was in chile in June.

After the first game of the season most cougar fans thought we would be lucky to win 8 games
 
Not going to read through the entire thread, but someone surely already brought up the ****ing 76ers right? There is absolutely no argument to be made.
 
I really like Alec coming off the bench. His ability to score by himself really helps stave off any runs the other team can make, or can help close a gap. His lack of spacing and lack of ability to make his teammates better isn't a big deal with the 2nd unit.
 
King Cy said:
I really like Alec coming off the bench. His ability to score by himself really helps stave off any runs the other team can make, or can help close a gap. His lack of spacing and lack of ability to make his teammates better isn't a big deal with the 2nd unit.
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I think those last two points are overblown, but I agree that he's best suited as a bench scorer that still plays big minutes.
 
King Cy said:
I really like Alec coming off the bench. His ability to score by himself really helps stave off any runs the other team can make, or can help close a gap. His lack of spacing and lack of ability to make his teammates better isn't a big deal with the 2nd unit.
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He still needs to shoot a lot more 3's.

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NUMBERICA said:
I think those last two points are overblown, but I agree that he's best suited as a bench scorer that still plays big minutes.
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Maybe the part about making his teammates better, but I would just say pay attention to Alec when he is off the ball and how his defender plays him (or rather plays off him).

Also, last night. How many difficult layup attempts do you need to attempt before you decide to kick it out to an open 3 point shooter once in a while?
 
gregbroncs said:
This thread was a huge over reaction to one bad game by the bench.
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I admit I exaggerated a little bit. But in my opinion the Jazz have a weak bench, especially for the Western Conference standards.

The Jazz have a very promising starting lineup with Exum replacing Neto. They have to improve seriously the bench next season.
 
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The Jazz have a weak bench by title contending standards. That is in a completely different stratosphere than "worst in the league".

Silly thread.
 
Diamond77 said:
I admit I exaggerated a little bit. But in my opinion the Jazz have a weak bench, especially for the Western Conference his standards.

The Jazz have a very promising starting lineup with Exum replacing Neto. They have to improve seriously the bench next season.
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I disagree. Neto, Burks, Ingles, Booker, and Lyles project to be a very good bench, They also have decent if not great players not on that list in Burke, Withey, Pleiss(eventually hopefully) and Johnson. They are young and a bit unproven but I don't think they are a below average bench in the league. I believe the Jazz have a fairly deep roster but with a lot of young guys.
 
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gregbroncs said:
I disagree. Neto, Burks, Ingles, Booker, and Lyles project to be a very good bench, They also have decent if not great players not on that list in Burks, Withey, Pleiss(eventually hopefully) and Johnson. They are young and a bit unproven but I don't think they are a below average bench in the league. I believe the Jazz have a fairly deep roster but with a lot of young guys.
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Agree to a point. To succeed in the NBA, a team needs a rotation of 8-9 players. The mix can be a bit different from team to team depending on where you have your combo players. For the Jazz right now, it means 3 bigs, 3 wings and 2 PG's.

I think we have 6 definites:

Studs: Favors, Gobert, Hayward, Hood
Solid Players: Burks, Exum

Good, but replaceable: Neto, Ingles, Burke
Unknown: Lyles
Fill-Ins: Booker, Withey, Pleiss, Millsap, Johnson

1. I like the Jazz' wing rotation of Hood, Hayward and Burks with Ingles as the 4th. Obviously could replace Ingles with a shooter, but this is the lowest priority, IMO.
2. Jazz need a stretch-4 and a backup 5. Need to see if Lyles and Pleiss /Withey can be those backups. Ideally, replace those two centers with a player who is 6'10"-11" and can provide some scoring and a physical presence to spell Gobert.
3. Exum and Neto should be a decent rotation. However, a PG who can hit 3's would be nice.
 
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Stifle Tower said:
Agree to a point. To succeed in the NBA, a team needs a rotation of 8-9 players. The mix can be a bit different from team to team depending on where you have your combo players. For the Jazz right now, it means 3 bigs, 3 wings and 2 PG's.

I think we have 6 definites:

Studs: Favors, Gobert, Hayward, Hood
Solid Players: Burks, Exum

Good, but replaceable: Neto, Ingles, Burke
Unknown: Lyles
Fill-Ins: Booker, Withey, Pleiss, Millsap, Johnson

1. I like the Jazz' wing rotation of Hood, Hayward and Burks with Ingles as the 4th. Obviously could replace Ingles with a shooter, but this is the lowest priority, IMO.
2. Jazz need a stretch-4 and a backup 5. Need to see if Lyles and Pleiss /Withey can be those backups. Ideally, replace those two centers with a player who is 6'10"-11" and can provide some scoring and a physical presence to spell Gobert.
3. Exum and Neto should be a decent rotation. However, a PG who can hit 3's would be nice.
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I don't think Neto has missed a 3 yet in his NBA career, and Exum is not a bad 3 shooter.
 
Where can one find bench stats for respective teams? Also, maybe someone can continually update this thread with bench scoring in comparison to the league.
 
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