Jazz Just Signed Trevor Booker According To Woj

[cowhide]

What NBA circles you hang out in?

He is just a role player, but those dudes are kind of important.

He can get a double-double, he can defend, he can hit the 15-18 footer. He is going to be physical. If Favors/Kanter go down, he can start and not be overwhelmed by NBA starters.

I don't expect anyone to get super excited about a back-up, but he is the kind of player the Jazz needed to help round out their rotation.

Ok you convinced me. Still not that excited about him but I know very little about the guy.

 

[cowhide]

I actually think he could potentially start next to Favors. Kanter is injured right now and probably won't come into camp match fit.



It's very likely Kanter will resume his role in coming off the bench producing big numbers and minutes against other teams' scrubs.

Kanter is no longer injured. He is rehabbing and should be in shape when he comes to camp. I cannot believe how many people want to get rid of Kanter. He gets blamed for the entire teams poor defense. No one played great defense last year even Favors. Kanter can score and rebound and I will wait until Quin installs his defense to see how Kanter and the rest of the players perform.

 

[Borat]

If you believe Locke, that is exactly what it is. I also think signing Booker is a message to Kanter. Booker is going to come in and play defense. How will Enes respond the first time Quin benches him for not playing 'D?'

We don't know how much of that second year is guaranteed. We know some if it is, which is already suboptimal. And Booker is not exactly known for his defense. Undersized and not very athletic. He is an OK back-up with very little potential to improve. His rookie year production is essentially the same as last year's one. And we already have 2 back-ups signed with Evans plus Novak (another mind boggling move).

I would take Stokes over him right now, and for 10 times less the price, this is a no brainer. This move is simply idiotic, much like Novak trade. Perhaps more so, since we had a similar but more talented player drafted, but traded him away for a second rounder in much less deep draft, while paying 10 mil for Booker on a multi year deal.

 

[Doublea]

I don't think fans really understand the need for a vet presence for a young team. They could severely help this team through out the season. It will be beneficially to have these guys on the team.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I guess Favors, Kanter, Gobert, Evans, Novak, and Murphy weren't enough players.

And I know this has been already mentioned, but why pass on Jarnell Stokes for a worse asset? Experience? Who gives a ****. The team is going to be spending $9 million on fringe rotation players after this upcoming season. $9 million above the salary floor, with Kanter and Burks' inevitable free agency (you can all-but guarantee no extension will be signed by either considering what happened with Hayward). Why? What am I not getting here?

Not sure if you saw, but the contract for Booker isn't full guaranteed the 2nd year.

 

[Coach Ellis]

The Jazz can't afford to guarantee 2 year contracts because guys are veterans. I get the vet argument. But Utah needs to play Moneyball. They can't afford to throw money around. For the record, I though Stokes was a great pick. More talent. Eventually guys grow up and become veterans too. I'd have rather kept Stokes (who was a steal) and then used the money to buy out Ante Tomic. He might not pan out in the NBA, but I'd rather try than not. They could have used some of that money to get to the salary floor and then looked to add an athletic, defensive wing. Or I'd have bought Jeremy Lin and picked up a couple of picks in the process. There's lots of ways they could have gotten to their target salary without guaranteeing future money or roster space.

 

[The Midnight]

Stokes could be Booker type of player this year. Look at Booker's career numbers. His rookie numbers are very similar to last year's ones. Stokes could come in and give same kind of production for one tenth of the price. Not to mention we have Evans already signed who produced same numbers last year.

I understand DL does not want to tank, but is getting 17.2 mil worth of PF backups a good strategy when we already have PF backup getting same numbers in Evans? Wouldn't it be better to just draft Stokes, continue investing in Evans as a backup PF and use the 17.2 mil in money/cap to acquire first round picks for future?

Can Stokes give us Veteran leadership though?

 

[The Midnight]

Kanter is no longer injured. He is rehabbing and should be in shape when he comes to camp. I cannot believe how many people want to get rid of Kanter. He gets blamed for the entire teams poor defense. No one played great defense last year even Favors. Kanter can score and rebound and I will wait until Quin installs his defense to see how Kanter and the rest of the players perform.

What's the difference? Rehabbing means you still can't train fully. Kanter rehabbed last Summer and turned up fat and out of shape at the beginning of last year.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Not sure if you saw, but the contract for Booker isn't full guaranteed the 2nd year.

1. HOW unguaranteed? This is also the team that refused to buy Raja Bell out, FWIW.
2. How much is leadership from an almost-scrub worth? If this team is going to **** around with smallish grinders at PF, is that mystical trait really the difference between kind of throwing away an asset (again, if the Jazz were in the market for such a player to begin with) in Stokes (who could be an even better player) that costs almost nothing and whom the Jazz would hold every card to, to pay this guy at least $5 mil and probably the full $10 mil (when was the last time the Jazz waived guaranteed salary?)?

What a run-on sentence. Anyway, it seems DL has been placed under a new directive to me. This offseason couldn't be much more different than last's. I sure hope Exum was worth it.

 

[NUMBERICA]

For the record, I have no problem with Trevor Booker in a vacuum. Like most players, it's a question of context. I just don't fully understand the decision here given the context. Maybe it's as simple as that Snyder wanted him.

 

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I'm fully on board with Booker. Efficient player. Tough. High quality backup who can start if/when there is an injury or if/when there's a trade.

 

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The Jazz can't afford to guarantee 2 year contracts because guys are veterans. I get the vet argument. But Utah needs to play Moneyball. They can't afford to throw money around. For the record, I though Stokes was a great pick. More talent. Eventually guys grow up and become veterans too. I'd have rather kept Stokes (who was a steal) and then used the money to buy out Ante Tomic. He might not pan out in the NBA, but I'd rather try than not. They could have used some of that money to get to the salary floor and then looked to add an athletic, defensive wing. Or I'd have bought Jeremy Lin and picked up a couple of picks in the process. There's lots of ways they could have gotten to their target salary without guaranteeing future money or roster space.

I want to see Tomic as bad as anybody, but we really have no idea how willing he is to come over this year (or ever). If we were to trade Kanter, Favors, or Gobert, then I think the Tomic talks would heat up. Until then, he's probably most valuable as a trade chip who is camped overseas.

Booker was just part of a young team that took the NEXT STEP. I think that's good experience. Hopefully he can bring some wisdom.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Stokes hasn't proven anything in the NBA yet. Call me when he gets 24 points and 14 rebounds in a game this year.

 

[olden_undercover]

We don't know how much of that second year is guaranteed. We know some if it is, which is already suboptimal. And Booker is not exactly known for his defense. Undersized and not very athletic. He is an OK back-up with very little potential to improve. His rookie year production is essentially the same as last year's one. And we already have 2 back-ups signed with Evans plus Novak (another mind boggling move).

I would take Stokes over him right now, and for 10 times less the price, this is a no brainer. This move is simply idiotic, much like Novak trade. Perhaps more so, since we had a similar but more talented player drafted, but traded him away for a second rounder in much less deep draft, while paying 10 mil for Booker on a multi year deal.

lol... Idiotic? Really? Listen to yourself, man. You are full-on ranting over whether it would have been better to keep a 2nd round rookie who will very likely spend his career as a backup PF instead of a career backup PF with a couple of years in the league. And Booker, Novak, Evans-- these guys may back up the same position in theory, but they are completely different players on the court. They give Snyder all kinds of flexibility in terms of matchups, covering injuries, etc., and represent assets that could be used in future transactions. Settle down, fella. Maybe go for a run, or do a crossword puzzle or something. There's a full season ahead of us, and it hasn't even started yet.

 

[Coach Ellis]

I want to see Tomic as bad as anybody, but we really have no idea what his willingness is to come over this year (or ever). If we were to trade Kanter, Favors, or Gobert, then I think the Tomic talks would heat up. Until then, he's probably most valuable as a trade chip who is camped overseas.

Booker was just part of a young team that took the NEXT STEP. I think that's good experience. Hopefully he can bring some wisdom.

Fair enough. I just think that a team like the Jazz needs to cultivate assets as best they can. I liked the move to get Novak, because it seems like he's a guy that they wanted, and they got paid to take him. That's a good move. If they want Tomic, I just think that they have to pay him. Nikola Mirotic just got a 3 year $17 million contract to come over. I don't think it would cost that much to get Tomic over here, and I'd have preferred to use the money that Booker is getting to land Ante first. Having seen Quinsanity in SL play, I think that Tomic will fit in very well. IMO - Tomic & Stokes >>> Booker & a future 2nd round pick. That's all.

At exactly this moment, the Jazz have 10 players with guaranteed contracts. . . Favors, Kanter, Gobert, Novak, Booker, Hayward, Hood, Burks, Burke and Exum. Nobody, except maybe Malcolm Thomas, has stood out from the non-guaranteed guys. The Jazz can move on from all of them and be just fine. They still have 5 spots left to fill. I'm guessing that JLIII gets one of them (although I'd take Neto's upside and development over JLIII's locker room presence.) I fully understand not wanting to load up a roster with players who won't play (for big money) or who will take time away from the young guys. . . I'm one of the biggest proponents of having all the young guys play together before making drastic changes to the roster. With that said, I think that they'd have been better off keeping Stokes, adding Tomic and Neto and then filling the last two spots however you want. Even if they add Tomic and Neto on top of what they have right now, they're still well below the salary cap and have a spot or two left to fill. I really want to see the Jazz put as much talent in the building as possible for Quin Snyder's first year. Moves and adjustments are inevitable, but I'd rather see as deep and talented of a team as they can get.

 

[The Midnight]

Fair enough. I just think that a team like the Jazz needs to cultivate assets as best they can. I liked the move to get Novak, because it seems like he's a guy that they wanted, and they got paid to take him. That's a good move. If they want Tomic, I just think that they have to pay him. Nikola Mirotic just got a 3 year $17 million contract to come over. I don't think it would cost that much to get Tomic over here, and I'd have preferred to use the money that Booker is getting to land Ante first. Having seen Quinsanity in SL play, I think that Tomic will fit in very well. IMO - Tomic & Stokes >>> Booker & a future 2nd round pick. That's all.

At exactly this moment, the Jazz have 10 players with guaranteed contracts. . . Favors, Kanter, Gobert, Novak, Booker, Hayward, Hood, Burks, Burke and Exum. Nobody, except maybe Malcolm Thomas, has stood out from the non-guaranteed guys. The Jazz can move on from all of them and be just fine. They still have 5 spots left to fill. I'm guessing that JLIII gets one of them (although I'd take Neto's upside and development over JLIII's locker room presence.) I fully understand not wanting to load up a roster with players who won't play (for big money) or who will take time away from the young guys. . . I'm one of the biggest proponents of having all the young guys play together before making drastic changes to the roster. With that said, I think that they'd have been better off keeping Stokes, adding Tomic and Neto and then filling the last two spots however you want. Even if they add Tomic and Neto on top of what they have right now, they're still well below the salary cap and have a spot or two left to fill. I really want to see the Jazz put as much talent in the building as possible for Quin Snyder's first year. Moves and adjustments are inevitable, but I'd rather see as deep and talented of a team as they can get.

I think our BIGS are sorted now.


They way Quinn's system is gonna be run, lots of passing & open shots, I think we should grab as many solid shooting guards/wings/stretch bigs as we possibly can.

 

[VINYLONE]

Yes. I'll put in $500. If i'm wrong, I'll split it between the people who want in. When i'm right, everyone chips in and gives me dat mullah.

I don't know what the scenario will be like next year, but someone take this guys action. It's 500 bones. I guess this is coming down to putting your money where your fat mouth is.

 

[VINYLONE]

I still am baffled as to why Carroll wasn't retained. He seems like the perfect teammate and just a guy every winning team seems to have.

It made no sense to me either. Absolutely none. AND he was a crowd favorite. Kid left it out on the court. I miss you, DMC!

 

[NUMBERICA]

The only possible reason for letting Carroll go was to outright tank.

 

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The only possible reason for letting Carroll go was to outright tank.

The other smoking gun is named John Lucas III.