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Jazz May Be A Part of 3-Team Deal w/ Clippers

baka98 said:
My belief would be that if Mo agrees, KOC has already go another deal in the works to move Harris. No reason for him to agree otherwise.
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Yeah Mo and Harris don't make sense.....but Mo could play 6th man off the bench.
The problem with this is that Burks' time at the SG role is limited if Tinsley is at 2nd PG and Mo is at 2nd SG...unless Mo is at 2nd PG, Burks at 2nd SG, Tinsley at 3rd PG. Doesn't make sense to put THAT much money on 2nd PG though...
 
I think if the Jazz pick up Mo Williams, it will give us the latitude to trade Harris. This isn't saying that Williams is better than Harris, but Harris is a good trade asset who doesn't really fit in here. The Jazz probably should trade Harris for value while they can.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
We don't have to use the TPE. An asset? We're never able to deal any of expirings, guys we knew we didn't want back like Boozer and AK. Who the **** is gonna take Mo on prior to the deadline at that price tag? Hell, within the CBA framework, we'd have to take on decent salary back too. Decent salary that probably wouldn't be expiring. Improves our outside shooting I'll give ya but at this price tag when we already have Harris. I want nothing to do with it unless we get a 1st or two 2nds back.
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I agree, Dallas and LAC are desperate to get this deal done make one of them throw in a draft pick. 17 should get it done.
 
theNBAnerd said:
agreed that utah has to receive some kind of additional compensation here. we're doing both teams a favor, and all we get in return is one year of a 30-year-old point guard who is a borderline starter in this league? nah, there's got to be draft picks or something thrown in for utah.

also, to those thinking about what this trade means to tinsley, watson or lillard/marshall, don't worry. they're not making this trade in order to have devin and mo on the same team. this deal means something has to be in place (or at least be on the table) for harris. and harris should definitely net you more than a late first. if george hill straight up netted #15 for the spurs, devin is good enough to get you somewhere in the late lotto.
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This screams a trade for the Blazers pick to me. They have only two guards under contract......

Possibly the Hornets?
 
theNBAnerd said:
so if it's the TPE for mo and the 17th pick, and then harris and a future first for something in the 8-12 range, how about that?
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Obviously that doesn't sound bad if that played out. However, I would then try to trade the 2 picks for one in the 5-7 range.
 
Unless we want Mo for more than one year (questionable) or are getting some other asset in return (so far unreported) then I don't see the point of using the TPE now instead of holding on to it for a different deal at a later date or simply letting it expire and saving the money. No one thinks we're in championship contention next year. Mo Williams isn't going to put us over the top. Is the idea merely to acquire his expiring contract? Who else is out there that's desirable to be acquired in that salary bracket?
 
BabyPeterzz said:
This screams a trade for the Blazers pick to me. They have only two guards under contract......

Possibly the Hornets?
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that's the thing, there are tons of teams in this draft that want a PG, and not that many point guards. so yeah, hornets and blazers both make sense. so do a lot of teams.
 
I'm wondering, with the jazz being so tight lipped about trades as they usually are, do you think that they could have "leaked" this so that the other dealmakers see it going through and thus agree to the jazz's proposal?
 
Sirkickyass said:
Unless we want Mo for more than one year (questionable) or are getting some other asset in return (so far unreported) then I don't see the point of using the TPE now instead of holding on to it for a different deal at a later date or simply letting it expire and saving the money. No one thinks we're in championship contention next year. Mo Williams isn't going to put us over the top. Is the idea merely to acquire his expiring contract? Who else is out there that's desirable to be acquired in that salary bracket?
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tpe expires in december, though, so it's not like you can hold onto it at the deadline. there are three "buyer frenzy" periods in the NBA: the july moratorium, the february deadline, and draft day. by february the TPE is gone, so might as well use it now while there are more buyers willing to give something up of value for it.
 
I guess my optimal situation would be something like acquiring Mo + 17, then flipping Harris and 17 for a pick in the top 12. I don't really believe this is realistic, but it sure would be awesome.
 
I love this deal for us. Mo's shooting could really help us off the bench, I wouldn't even mind him supplanting Devin in the starting line-up. He's not the distributor we need at PG, but at this point he's no worse than Harris. Love this as a one year rental. Hopefully Mo agrees to the deal, I believe he'll opt in.
 
Sirkickyass said:
Unless we want Mo for more than one year (questionable) or are getting some other asset in return (so far unreported) then I don't see the point of using the TPE now instead of holding on to it for a different deal at a later date or simply letting it expire and saving the money. No one thinks we're in championship contention next year. Mo Williams isn't going to put us over the top. Is the idea merely to acquire his expiring contract? Who else is out there that's desirable to be acquired in that salary bracket?
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It doesn't even have to be about a desired player. Theoretically, the Jazz could offer to eat 10 million for anybody which could very likely result in a 1st in this draft. After the draft, they can still eat 10 million dollars of dead weight going into the FA session for future picks. So getting Mo Williams ONLY out of the Memo TPE is a waste.
 
baka98 said:
I'm wondering, with the jazz being so tight lipped about trades as they usually are, do you think that they could have "leaked" this so that the other dealmakers see it going through and thus agree to the jazz's proposal?
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in any trade scenario, the team with the most incentive to leak a proposed deal is the "seller." that way word gets out that team A is about to acquire so-and-so for such-and-such a price, and it motivates other teams to call and try to outbid team A.
 
theNBAnerd said:
if george hill straight up netted #15 for the spurs, devin is good enough to get you somewhere in the late lotto.
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1. I'm not so sure Devin is more valuable than George Hill (especially considering age, contract controllability).

2. George Hill netted Kawhi Leonard before he had hit the court. The general consensus seems to be that this draft is better than last draft.
 
Also, if we didn't have more than $30m in expiring deals, I would be more inclined to pick someone up with another year or two on their deal. We can do that at the deadline if the FO is interesting in players like Rudy Gay.
 
theNBAnerd said:
that's because we are all too familiar with harris' flaws. mo has flaws too, and by 20 games in, a segment of jazzfanz will want him dead.
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Except that Williams strengths don't conflict with the strengths of the rest of the roster, unlike Harris.
 
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