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Jazz May Be A Part of 3-Team Deal w/ Clippers

theNBAnerd said:
bigger picture, billy. it's cuban selling 17 for a chance to have the flexibility to go after nash/williams.

or we could get a pick from LAC instead of DAL, but we'd have to be getting SOME compensation for doing both dallas and LAC a favor.
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I haven't looked over the numbers in a while, but I'm pretty sure he only has to amnesty Haywood and waive Odom to do it. So it's not necessary, but only preferable to save the 3 mil. Well, that and the fact he'd probably like to hold off amnestying Haywood for another year until he can get himself into the Howard sweepstakes with Deron and Dirk as bait.
 
theNBAnerd said:
devin harris' career PER is almost 18 and has been as high as 21. george hill's highest year was barely over league average (15.7) and he was coming off the bench for 25 mpg and not even closing playoff games.

hill>harris?! ridonk.
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Career PER? Why don't we just evaluate their current value based on shoe size?
 
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i'm not in love with harris. i'm not even saying i wouldn't do the trade. i'm just saying that harris has more value than you guys think. hell, george couldn't even earn the starting role on the team that gave up a 15th pick to get him. so if indy would give up the 15th pick for their second point guard....

this really is just common sense.
 
theNBAnerd said:
tpe expires in december, though, so it's not like you can hold onto it at the deadline. there are three "buyer frenzy" periods in the NBA: the july moratorium, the february deadline, and draft day. by february the TPE is gone, so might as well use it now while there are more buyers willing to give something up of value for it.
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Great point. Last season was unusual as the Nets desperately needed a center. They feared doing nothing would signal the end to Deron. So, lucky for us, they traded for Memo, who proved to be worthless. We've got two chances to use the TPE: near the draft and in conjunction with free agency.

This might be the best deal available. It lets KOC explore trades for Harris without worrying about affecting the the Jazz' record. And, at worst, Mo becomes an expiring contract for us. In esssence, the Jazz extend $8.5M of the TPE to the end of the season.
 
theNBAnerd said:
i'm not talking jsut about 3s. i'm talking about how he exclusively shoots jumpers and rarely attacks the basket.
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Attacking the basket works when you're young and have shooters, not when you're almost 30 on one of the worst 3-point shooting teams in the NBA.
 
theNBAnerd said:
i'm not in love with harris. i'm not even saying i wouldn't do the trade. i'm just saying that harris has more value than you guys think. hell, george couldn't even earn the starting role on the team that gave up a 15th pick to get him. so if indy would give up the 15th pick for their second point guard....

this really is just common sense.
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Is it really all that common if you are the only one that has it?
 
GVC said:
Career PER? Why don't we just evaluate their current value based on show size?
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ok, current PER: harris still wins, 17 to 15. and harris did that while starting and playing against top-tier PGs, hill came off the bench and played against backups.

again, i'm not swearing allegiance to harris here... just saying that his trade value HAS to be higher than hill's. he's an above-average starting point guard who is capable of averaging 20 and who happens to also be on an expiring contract.
 
jazzfan1971 said:
I'd trade Okur for Mo and a 2nd. Sounds good to me. Also doesn't screw up our cap plan for next summer. IF we can get a 1st rounder in addition even better, but, if we start getting greedy they probably just send him to the Lakers instead.
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This is true but I am sure that the clips would rather the jazz take Williams then the lakers. Same division market share. The clips are hoping the lakers crash soon so the become the marquis name in LA. They will give a little more for the jazz to make it happen
 
NUMBERICA said:
Attacking the basket works when you're young and have shooters, not when you're almost 30 on one of the worst 3-point shooting teams in the NBA.
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so you're saying the jazz don't need a PG who can break down the defense??

way to stick to your guns, i guess.
 
theNBAnerd said:
i'm not in love with harris. i'm not even saying i wouldn't do the trade. i'm just saying that harris has more value than you guys think. hell, george couldn't even earn the starting role on the team that gave up a 15th pick to get him. so if indy would give up the 15th pick for their second point guard....

this really is just common sense.
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Hill starts for Indy. Collison comes off the bench.
 
This board is bi-polar, either they wouldn't trade Millsap for a lottery pick, or they would trade Al and Harris for a late-first/second-round pick.
 
theNBAnerd said:
i'm not in love with harris. i'm not even saying i wouldn't do the trade. i'm just saying that harris has more value than you guys think. hell, george couldn't even earn the starting role on the team that gave up a 15th pick to get him. so if indy would give up the 15th pick for their second point guard....

this really is just common sense.
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Or you're an idiot.

1. Different drafts. It sounds as though teams value #15 more this year than they did at the draft last year.

2. George Hill is a restricted free agent this coming season, and likely won't command a prohibitive salary.

3. George Hill does a good job effectively/efficiently fitting a role, and will continue to do so for several more years. Devin Harris has clearly lost a step and is not much of a role player.
 
If we can find a deal to get rid of Harris, then do it. He's a pretty decent player, but he just doesn't fit the scheme of this team. Might as well get some assets out of him.
 
People are overrating George Hill and underrating Devin Harris.

I would rather have Hill because he is a good combo guard bench scorer who is (was) cheap, but Harris is clearly the better player overall.

If you factor in their salaries over the past couple of years, Hill is clearly more valuable. Hill will get paid more though this upcoming year and his value will drop (how much depends on contract).
 
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