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Jazz need shooters desperately

Why do we need shooters?
Dennis can bring in anyone on the cheap and our great development staff should be able to make starters out of them.

I trust in Lindsey 100%. He's the best GM in the business. Quin is the best coach. It's just a matter of time before all the starters are in the top 5 at their positions and our bench is #1 in the league.







Sarcasm alert: this post should in no way indicate Jack Strop endorses Dennis Lindsey. Lindsey couldn't identify a shooter if he were looking straight down the barrel of a loaded gun. But hey, he'll have another chance at a lottery pick. So grab the guy who shoots 18% on his college 3's. Another lost season of "baking the cake" and being content with the status quo.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
With regard to Niang... he’s shooting just under 40%. I’m surprised it is that high. Do you know how hard it is to come into a game off the bench and shoot well in a small 4-5 minute stint. Really tough to get a rythymn.
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What's Niang's +/- or whatever defensive stat you can find? The guy is a horrible defender. Lindsey gave this stiff a contract when he could have gone after a shooter. Lindsey is a cheap GM. But hey, the profits are getting put back in the business, right? Gotta build that rainy day fund. You know, the one the Jazz have been amassing since Day 1 of Lindsey's reign. Cuz you know, SOMEDAY, he might decide to spend $ on some free agents. Probably in year 6 of Mitchell's career in a desperate attempt to convince him to stay.
 
Jack Strop said:
What's Niang's +/- or whatever defensive stat you can find? The guy is a horrible defender. Lindsey gave this stiff a contract when he could have gone after a shooter. Lindsey is a cheap GM. But hey, the profits are getting put back in the business, right? Gotta build that rainy day fund. You know, the one the Jazz have been amassing since Day 1 of Lindsey's reign. Cuz you know, SOMEDAY, he might decide to spend $ on some free agents. Probably in year 6 of Mitchell's career in a desperate attempt to convince him to stay.
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While I somewhat agree with your rant on spending I think you Niang hate is misplaced. His per 36 numbers are basically exactly what Jae’s are... except he’s got a higher TS%. Their defensive rating are identical as well.

So while he looks slow and doesn’t have Jaes muscles he’s been similarly effective. He’s usually in the right spot and is a good team defender... not bad for a minimum guy... give him a shot.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Lol, some of you have such short memories. Niang couldn't miss to start the year.

And blaming Niang and Allen for our shooting woes when they get DNP's or <5 minutes a night is some next level ****** analysis.
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We need shooters desperately. If they both can shoot, why aren't they getting minutes? Please don't act like they suck only because of short playing time. This is a team that has to play Jae Crowder 35+ min a night. Even Raul Neto is getting min. They aren't playing because they're not good enough. And DL has to get actual NBA-caliber shooters to help this team ASAP.
 
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Jack Strop said:
What's Niang's +/- or whatever defensive stat you can find? The guy is a horrible defender. Lindsey gave this stiff a contract when he could have gone after a shooter. Lindsey is a cheap GM. But hey, the profits are getting put back in the business, right? Gotta build that rainy day fund. You know, the one the Jazz have been amassing since Day 1 of Lindsey's reign. Cuz you know, SOMEDAY, he might decide to spend $ on some free agents. Probably in year 6 of Mitchell's career in a desperate attempt to convince him to stay.
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Giving up Jerebko for Niang. Picking Allen instead of signing actual shooters. Passing up Bjelica. Bringing back Neto. Overpaying Dante...

So many screwups need to happen in order for the Jazz to be in such a mess. And DL somehow managed to commit all of them
 
jom2003 said:
Giving up Jerebko for Niang. Picking Allen instead of signing actual shooters. Passing up Bjelica. Bringing back Neto. Overpaying Dante...

So many screwups need to happen in order for the Jazz to be in such a mess. And DL somehow managed to commit all of them
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Jerebko is a scrub. Neto is end of the bench irrelevance. Allen was a draft pick and had nothing to do with picking shooters. The jury is still out on Exum's contract. Only correct statement is the one about Bjelca.
 
Alfalfa said:
Jerebko is a scrub. Neto is end of the bench irrelevance. Allen was a draft pick and had nothing to do with picking shooters. The jury is still out on Exum's contract. Only correct statement is the one about Bjelca.
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A scrub who's getting minutes on an actual Championship contending team?
Allen has nothing to do with picking shooters? Com'on now. Why else do you think DL pick him for? His defense?
Neto's irrelevance + Dante's overpriced contract=over 6mil worth of cap space, enough for us to sign the likes of Harrell, Bjelica, Brook Lopez, or even Napier, Vonleh, Stauskas(all can fill the Jazz's needs right now and are currently making less than our "end of bench irrelevance" this year), like actual NBA players that can help our team not extending the deficit to 50 points in garbage time?
 
And for goodness sake, we've waited 5 years for Dante Exum. The jury is still out on what exactly?

When enough is enough?
 
jom2003 said:
A scrub who's getting minutes on an actual Championship contending team?
Allen has nothing to do with picking shooters? Com'on now. Why else do you think DL pick him for? His defense?
Neto's irrelevance + Dante's overpriced contract=over 6mil worth of cap space, enough for us to sign the likes of Harrell, Bjelica, Brook Lopez, or even Napier, Vonleh, Stauskas(all can fill the Jazz's needs right now and are currently making less than our "end of bench irrelevance" this year), like actual NBA players that can help our team not extending the deficit to 50 points in garbage time?
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Jerebko scores 6 points in 18 minutes on a team missing their big (on league average 3pt shooting). Really unimportant. Altho I like him and prefer him over Niang.

Allen can shoot. Jazz picked in the late first round. There are no sure prospects in the late first round. We should target established players who can shoot. Not worry about what 25th pick would've been best.

Like I said, I agree with your point about Bjelica. Jazz could have, and should have, signed him. Exum is not very expensive, and if he picks it up a bit, he can used in a trade.

DL gambled on a team that made it to the second round of the playoffs. The bet doesn't seem to have paid off (altho it's early in the season). What I don't get is all of these "future flexibility" moves, like giving Favors a one year 18m dollar contract. Flexibility for what? We can't land any ****ing free agents!
 
Alfalfa said:
Jerebko scores 6 points in 18 minutes on a team missing their big (on league average 3pt shooting). Really unimportant. Altho I like him and prefer him over Niang.

Allen can shoot. Jazz picked in the late first round. There are no sure prospects in the late first round. We should target established players who can shoot. Not worry about what 25th pick would've been best.

Like I said, I agree with your point about Bjelica. Jazz could have, and should have, signed him. Exum is not very expensive, and if he picks it up a bit, he can used in a trade.

DL gambled on a team that made it to the second round of the playoffs. The bet doesn't seem to have paid off (altho it's early in the season). What I don't get is all of these "future flexibility" moves, like giving Favors a one year 18m dollar contract. Flexibility for what? We can't land any ****ing free agents!
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Well that depends on your definition of "importance". Jerebko isn't very good. Sure. But he's an actually NBA-caliber player who can eat up 15min worth of playing time every night. This IS IMPORTANT. You can count on him for 15 min. His existence allows us to reduce Crowder's load significantly. The embarrassment against the Mavs shows that Allen and Niang are simply unplayable at this point. Yes, the Jazz picked in the late first round. But there are plenty of rotational players selected in that range and DL has to do better. We're not expecting Allen to be a starter, but not being able to crack the rotation at the age of 23 leaves so much to be desired.

Same can be said about Neto. Why bother paying for players if they can't even be counted on during garbage time?
 
jom2003 said:
Well that depends on your definition of "importance". Jerebko isn't very good. Sure. But he's an actually NBA-caliber player who can eat up 15min worth of playing time every night. This IS IMPORTANT. You can count on him for 15 min. His existence allows us to reduce Crowder's load significantly. The embarrassment against the Mavs shows that Allen and Niang are simply unplayable at this point. Yes, the Jazz picked in the late first round. But there are plenty of rotational players selected in that range and DL has to do better. We're not expecting Allen to be a starter, but not being able to crack the rotation at the age of 23 leaves so much to be desired.

Same can be said about Neto. Why bother paying for players if they can't even be counted on during garbage time?
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My problem with Jerebko is that his defense is so bad, he was unplayable in the playoffs last year. Literally unplayable. I remember one game Quin put him in out of desperation, and OKC proceeded to burn him 3 times in a row, at which point QS took him out. I do agree that he gives you better minutes in the regular season than Niang does. But I bet had we picked Jerebko instead of Niang, people would be complaining about FO not taking chances, and bringing up "diamond in the rough" players like Ingles, that the Jazz took a chance on in the past.

About Allen, I'm very unimpressed with him. But looking at mock drafts for that range, they're all over the place. There were no low-bust-potential players left on the board. Allen might still end up a rotational player in the NBA. He's got okay size and athleticism and he can shoot.

But really, I'm more interested in going after a scorer NOW. We've seen what we've got. DL should be on the phone with every team looking for trades.
 
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