Jazz Offseason Plan

[Handlogten's Heros]

I know these are rumors, but this isn't the good ole days when we heard it first when it happens. Nowadays, a thousand ideas will be thrown out there and one will stick. I will say, this trade does make sense for the Lakers.

It also makes sense for Indiana to trade Brogdon. There are a lot of reports that Brogdon isn't well liked, and that Indiana likes the idea of playing LaVert as the primary ball handler.

The last part doesn't make sense - Indiana should be able to get more for Brogdon than Kuzma, Harrell and #22. We would consider that for Conley because he's older and could leave us for nothing. Indiana has no reason to sell low on Brogdon. Somebody would pay more than that.

I think the foot concerns on Brodgon are real and his shelf life is limited. I also think he's not been the easiest guy in the world to deal with. I think based on his production you are right that someone should pay more.

I think for the Conley Brogdon swap it would be because Malcom isn't getting along and they want to shake it up. They should not make Caris a point guard... I don't think that is what they want to do.

I think Kuzma is very eye of the beholder... prolly some that think he's super ordinary and he may have a few fans out there in league front offices.

 

[LoPo]

I think the foot concerns on Brodgon are real and his shelf life is limited. I also think he's not been the easiest guy in the world to deal with. I think based on his production you are right that someone should pay more.

I think for the Conley Brogdon swap it would be because Malcom isn't getting along and they want to shake it up. They should not make Caris a point guard... I don't think that is what they want to do.

I think Kuzma is very eye of the beholder... prolly some that think he's super ordinary and he may have a few fans out there in league front offices.

I don't know what to think of Brogdon, but I doubt we have any shot to get him unless for some reason Indiana is desperate to get Bojan back.

As for Kuzma, I think it's a great buy low situation. What do we really have to lose? The kid is only 25, can shoot the 3, is a good rebounder, and is 6'10". Hell, trade Favors for Kuzma and let's play Kuzma as a small ball center.

Most importantly, I think getting Kuzma appeases Don. I think they would get along. I think Kuzma would be happy with the Jazz. And Lord knows we need more youth and potential on this dang team.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Someone run the math for me and tell me what the maximum salary that Conley could get paid in a S&T to the Lakers if we sent Conley and Favors for Kuzma and Harrell.

It feels like this could/should be a thing. I think Harrell is different than Favors as a backup 5 in some really important ways (mostly that he's athletic/mobile). Both players would seem to have trade value if we wanted to re-route them. Could probably dump Harrell into somebody's cap-space and receive an asset on top of it (if he opts in [this is another variable that would need resolution]).

Getting something out of Conley's bird rights (either re-signing him or trading him) and trading Favors are the two most important things this offseason.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Someone run the math for me and tell me what the maximum salary that Conley could get paid in a S&T to the Lakers if we sent Conley and Favors for Kuzma and Harrell.

It feels like this could/should be a thing. I think Harrell is different than Favors as a backup 5 in some really important ways (mostly that he's athletic/mobile). Both players would seem to have trade value if we wanted to re-route them. Could probably dump Harrell into somebody's cap-space and receive an asset on top of it (if he opts in [this is another variable that would need resolution]).

Getting something out of Conley's bird rights (either re-signing him or trading him) and trading Favors are the two most important things this offseason.

Harrell has issues in the playoffs because he’s a terrible defender... that said we allowed 6 pts per possession with Rudy off the floor in the playoffs and Trez is a dynamite roll man. Would be a good offensive bench big. He’s also pretty active on the offensive glass. Maybe a buy low candidate.

I don’t do sign and trade math though... prolly like 13-14M a year for Mike for a few years.

 

[LoPo]

Someone run the math for me and tell me what the maximum salary that Conley could get paid in a S&T to the Lakers if we sent Conley and Favors for Kuzma and Harrell.

It feels like this could/should be a thing. I think Harrell is different than Favors as a backup 5 in some really important ways (mostly that he's athletic/mobile). Both players would seem to have trade value if we wanted to re-route them. Could probably dump Harrell into somebody's cap-space and receive an asset on top of it (if he opts in [this is another variable that would need resolution]).

Getting something out of Conley's bird rights (either re-signing him or trading him) and trading Favors are the two most important things this offseason.

Conley could make anywhere from about $11 a year to about $15 a year.

 

[Ujfanatic]

It is worth pointing out that the Jazz are actually under the luxury tax, though for all intents and purposes we will definitely end up over it. Currently we are sitting 1.45m under the luxury tax right now. If we do not guarantee the contracts for Thomas or Oni we clear up another 3.5m under. Because we are over the cap our cap holds don’t count.

We could technically sign someone using the full MLE. However, we would then be hardcapped, which would make it very hard/impossible to field a 15 man roster. With the full MLE, we would have approx $142.8 in salary for 9 players, not including our draft pick, and the hard cap is projected at $143m.

If we hadn’t signed Favors last year we would have another 9.7m to work with, which definitely would help though because we are over the cap regardless would still have relegated us to finishing out the roster with a draft pick and multiple minimum contract guys.

I guess that is my way is saying we may be better off with the pieces we have. We can use the taxpayer MLE, the 5m trade exception from the Ed Davis trade, have a few tradeable contracts, including some non guaranteed contracts, and could possibly sign and trade Conley if he decided to leave.

I still wish we hadn’t done the player option at the end of the Favors contract and believe we could have gotten a better player with the MLE last year, but all things considered we do have options as long as we stay away from any hardcap scenarios.

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[Ineptimusprime]

Trade Rudy, draft Neemi Queta, end up with two very good rim protectors in Doke and Neemi for about 5 bucks instead of one for 40 million. Profit!

Obviously, joking, but also kinda pointing out the absurd premium we are paying for one elite skill.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Before I read any responses to my post, I realized that Harrell and Favors make the same, so

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Speaking of Hayward, would anyone trade Favors and Bojan for him?

Yesterday!!

 

[JayExotic]

We need to find some diamonds in the rough considering our current cap situation.
Guys I'd target would be guys who need some career rehab but could earn a big pay day if they help us get over the top:
• Justise Winslow
• Otto Porter Jr
• Kris Dunn

 

[Gameface]

Vodka and chill.

Oh, ****. You were talking about the Jazz...

nvm

 

[oneye]

I do have to laugh a little, I said the player option on Donovan's contract should have gotten Lindsey and Zanick fired, and it should, it still should, along with several other moves. What should be starting a 5 years contract where you have 4 years to get things right, is now 2, or 3 at the most at this point. As I listen to local media the past week everyone from Locke, to Tony, to Checketts, to others are basically preparing you all for his exit at this point in about 2 years. I told you so. I told you so. You gave up a player option on a dude who had no intention of staying anyway, and now local media is starting to angle towards the preparing you all when he asks for a trade in a couple summers. The feeling and tone as far as Donovan goes has even began changing under local media at this point, and all I have to say is LOL.

 

[LoPo]

I do have to laugh a little, I said the player option on Donovan's contract should have gotten Lindsey and Zanick fired, and it should, it still should, along with several other moves. What should be starting a 5 years contract where you have 4 years to get things right, is now 2, or 3 at the most at this point. As I listen to local media the past week everyone from Locke, to Tony, to Checketts, to others are basically preparing you all for his exit at this point in about 2 years. I told you so. I told you so. You gave up a player option on a dude who had no intention of staying anyway, and now local media is starting to angle towards the preparing you all when he asks for a trade in a couple summers. The feeling and tone as far as Donovan goes has even began changing under local media at this point, and all I have to say is LOL.

Hey there brown eye .

If Don leaves, it's going to be because we don't make it his team. Not because he hates Utah and the people here. Not because he wants to be in NY that much. Not because you say so.

I think he might look to leave if we continue to build the franchise around Rudy while Rudy is throwing temper tantrums on the court and making comments in the media about how he isn't getting the ball enough or the team isn't doing this or doing that.

Don cares about his image maybe more than most. If we build the team around him, it's going to be that much harder for him to leave and retain his image. However if he's always sharing with Rudy, that's an easy out for him to say - I wanted to go to a team that let's him headline especially if we can't get over the 2nd round hump in the meantime.

 

[oneye]

Hey there brown eye .

If Don leaves, it's going to be because we don't make it his team. Not because he hates Utah and the people here. Not because he wants to be in NY that much. Not because you say so.

I think he might look to leave if we continue to build the franchise around Rudy while Rudy is throwing temper tantrums on the court and making comments in the media about how he isn't getting the ball enough or the team isn't doing this or doing that.

Don cares about his image maybe more than most. If we build the team around him, it's going to be that much harder for him to leave and retain his image. However if he's always sharing with Rudy, that's an easy out for him to say - I wanted to go to a team that let's him headline especially if we can't get over the 2nd round hump in the meantime.

Okay, you're wrong though. And yeah, Don cares about his image and brand and only his image and brand, not real people. He'll absolutely try to do it in a way that retains that image, because his image and brand which is all he cares about. He began building the excuses a year ago. I've said he's a snake, he's always been a snake, and everything he does is for the purpose of creating an image and brand that doesn't match the real dude. Looking back over his first 2 and a half years here, it's so blatantly obvious to see just how purposefully he did it, and now he's purposefully building exit excuses, and it's pretty obvious most even in local media are building towards it as well.

 

[LoPo]

Okay, you're wrong though. And yeah, Don cares about his image and brand and only his image and brand, not real people. He'll absolutely try to do it in a way that retains that image, because his image and brand which is all he cares about. He began building the excuses a year ago. I've said he's a snake, he's always been a snake, and everything he does is for the purpose of creating an image and brand that doesn't match the real dude. Looking back over his first 2 and a half years here, it's so blatantly obvious to see just how purposefully he did it, and now he's purposefully building exit excuses, and it's pretty obvious most even in local media are building towards it as well.

Your speculation is unproven and wastes everybody's time.

 

[LoPo]

We need to find some diamonds in the rough considering our current cap situation.
Guys I'd target would be guys who need some career rehab but could earn a big pay day if they help us get over the top:
• Justise Winslow
• Otto Porter Jr
• Kris Dunn

I would be willing to buy low on Justise Winslow. Seems like he's got a pretty decent over all skill set. Just something isn't right. Maybe we could fix him.

 

[oneye]

Your speculation is unproven and wastes everybody's time.

When local media is already pivoting to “well you have a 3 year window here” routine, there’s noise out there, and it’s getting louder.

 

[LoPo]

When local media is already pivoting to “well you have a 3 year window here” routine, there’s noise out there, and it’s getting louder.

They aren't saying he's automatically leaving.

They are saying we need to do something the next 3 years or he could leave.

Those two things above are two completely different things.

 

[JayExotic]

I would be willing to buy low on Justise Winslow. Seems like he's got a pretty decent over all skill set. Just something isn't right. Maybe we could fix him.

Winslow just hasn't been able to stay healthy, he flashed potential in Miami. Plus there's a connection there cause his rookie season was Wade's last year with the team. He's not a great shooter but he's an athletic, versatile defender with some playmaking ability. I'd go hard after Dunn as well, he's young and a pest defensively. Sell both guys on the idea that they can get paid next summer if they help us get over the hump. And assuming we bring back Conley both he and Joe should be on load management so they will get plenty of minutes in the regular season.

I'd also love Otto Porter or Nic Batum with the MLE. Try to swing a trade of Favors, #30, and a future draft asset for Larry Nance Jr.

 

[LoPo]

Winslow just hasn't been able to stay healthy, he flashed potential in Miami. Plus there's a connection there cause his rookie season was Wade's last year with the team. He's not a great shooter but he's an athletic, versatile defender with some playmaking ability. I'd go hard after Dunn as well, he's young and a pest defensively. Sell both guys on the idea that they can get paid next summer if they help us get over the hump. And assuming we bring back Conley both he and Joe should be on load management so they will get plenty of minutes in the regular season.

I'd also love Otto Porter or Nic Batum with the MLE. Try to swing a trade of Favors, #30, and a future draft asset for Larry Nance Jr.

I like all three guys to a certain degree. I just like Winslow more. It seems like it's now or never for him - if he figures it out, he'd be an incredible asset for us. He's a good defender, passer and rebounder. His entire package on offense is average, but he is a career 32%+ 3pt shooter. He would get wide open looks for us. He just turned 25.

I would sign him to a 3 year deal with the last year being a team option. Give him a little bit more than the minimum and hopefully he pans out.

I think Otto Porter Jr will be too much. Dunn interests me but I'm hesitant.