Eh...he was really bad in the LAC series but his playoffs haven't been that bad. Was good in the DEN series and probably should have gotten more minutes against HOU. That perception can change really quickly too. Donovan Mitchell came off of back to back horrific playoff series and suddenly turned into a great playoff performer from then. For a guy who's primary job is to make wide open shots, I wouldn't let a bad shooting streak define him.
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Eh...he was really bad in the LAC series but his playoffs haven't been that bad. Was good in the DEN series and probably should have gotten more minutes against HOU. That perception can change really quickly too. Donovan Mitchell came off of back to back horrific playoff series and suddenly turned into a great playoff performer from then. For a guy who's primary job is to make wide open shots, I wouldn't let a bad shooting streak define him.
NAOS
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I’ve been in Niang’s corner. Consistently. His playoff performances have underwhelmed, and that’s just the truth of it.
I wasn't underwhelmed with him against DEN or HOU, and if you were, I think you have very high expectations. Thought he was just fine in the MEM series too after a bad shooting game 1. I don't find much about his game that doesn't translate and like I said, these narratives can change so quickly. It's the nature of small sample sizes.
NAOS
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You can’t supplant me from Niang Island, sorry. But it does look like you might be creating a new floating island of your own. Cool.
Just heard an Andy Larsen interview where he said he thinks NIang makes more than 5.8 million next year. So never mind at that number. I'm thinking Niang is more like 3.5 million.
$3.5 is almost the vet minimum. I think he's closer to $10M a year than $5M. Not crazy to think that he gets a full MLE somewhere on a shorter deal. Niang is not the player/shooter Bertans, Harris, or Duncan Robinson are, but compare their shooting numbers + impact numbers and how much they have/will get paid.
Shooting gets paid.
homeytennis
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Send both our draft picks this year to Indiana.
Here is a guy going to play with the Jazz in Summer League according to John Calipari: https://www.aseaofblue.com/
Niang may get a lot more than people are thinking, but a full MLE?
I don't think it's crazy, especially if there's a team with the full MLE that strikes out on other MLE targets. They could be in a use or loose it situation and use the full MLE to get him out of UTA. A shorter, high money deal would be smart for anyone trying to pry him away.
Shooting is such a premium skill right now. Davis Bertans got 5/$80, Harris 4/$72, and Robinson could get $20M a year according to Woj. 2/$20M isn't out of the question IMO.
I'd go as far as to say the Jazz need to make sure he doesn't hit FA. I'd try to lock him down for many years and lower money. Very confident in him being at worst a rotation player and could even see him as plug in starter if we were to move Bogey.
Here’s an Andy interview. Towards the end he mentions basically no matter what the Jazz are paying the luxury tax this year, just a question of how much. That it does make some sense to try and avoid the repeater tax next year, and that there will have to be a mini reset at some point (likely next offseason IMO) due to aging Joe, Bogey, etc. Mini reset certainly makes it sound like they aren’t looking at a window, but some retooling will be coming after this season.
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I understand why we have to bring Conley back but it just sucks that we're going to have to offload salary to pay $20-25 million to a 6 foot 34 year old point guard with bad hamstrings. He's pretty much guaranteed to miss at least 20-30 games during the season and likely some playoff games.
Here’s an Andy interview. Towards the end he mentions basically no matter what the Jazz are paying the luxury tax this year, just a question of how much. That it does make some sense to try and avoid the repeater tax next year, and that there will have to be a mini reset at some point (likely next offseason IMO) due to aging Joe, Bogey, etc. Mini reset certainly makes it sound like they aren’t looking at a window, but some retooling will be coming after this season.
Andy Larsen on Jazz offseason/free agency, NBA Draft, Conley, trade possibilities + more - ESPN700
The Trib’s Andy Larsen previews the Jazz NBA Draft strategy, talks offseason, free agency, Mike Conley, a possible trade on […]
As I understand, the Jazz wouldn't pay repeater tax until 23/24.
It makes sense. We already had one, so now we have two years before the repeater, so give Mike two more years and he will expire with Bogey and the Jazz duck the tax bill altogether when the repeater violation applies.
I do think the Jazz are on a 2-3 year window before Mitchell demands out, however, and I'm not sure I want to bank on Bogey and Mike. I'd prefer to mix it up a bit.
Ineptimusprime
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Andy is sooo gaddam refreshing. Agreed with 100% of what he said.Here’s an Andy interview. Towards the end he mentions basically no matter what the Jazz are paying the luxury tax this year, just a question of how much. That it does make some sense to try and avoid the repeater tax next year, and that there will have to be a mini reset at some point (likely next offseason IMO) due to aging Joe, Bogey, etc. Mini reset certainly makes it sound like they aren’t looking at a window, but some retooling will be coming after this season.
Andy Larsen on Jazz offseason/free agency, NBA Draft, Conley, trade possibilities + more - ESPN700
The Trib’s Andy Larsen previews the Jazz NBA Draft strategy, talks offseason, free agency, Mike Conley, a possible trade on […]
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I read somewhere that Minnesota was interested in Niang. I know I should provide a link, my bad for not doing so.
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Do not listen to this interview unless you want your wiener to be permasoftHere’s an Andy interview. Towards the end he mentions basically no matter what the Jazz are paying the luxury tax this year, just a question of how much. That it does make some sense to try and avoid the repeater tax next year, and that there will have to be a mini reset at some point (likely next offseason IMO) due to aging Joe, Bogey, etc. Mini reset certainly makes it sound like they aren’t looking at a window, but some retooling will be coming after this season.
Andy Larsen on Jazz offseason/free agency, NBA Draft, Conley, trade possibilities + more - ESPN700
The Trib’s Andy Larsen previews the Jazz NBA Draft strategy, talks offseason, free agency, Mike Conley, a possible trade on […]
As long as the Jazz don’t do anything unforgivably stupid again then I’ll be good.
If they can acquire an NBA player through some path and only dump Favors (hopefully only moving back, and assuming Conley is back on a deal that isn’t shockingly expensive), then this was a fine offseason.
If they can acquire an NBA player through some path and only dump Favors (hopefully only moving back, and assuming Conley is back on a deal that isn’t shockingly expensive), then this was a fine offseason.