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Jazz trade Devin Harris to Atlanta for Marvin Williams (merged)

Two M. Williams joing the Jazz in a matter of days!!! They could swap uniforms.

Marvin could start or could solidy come off the bench. I think he would be a solid sixth man and knows the role well, as he is the only lottery pick in history to never start (and he went one spot ahead of Deron).
 
Brian T. Smith: Harris-Williams trade has not been finalized but both sides are hopeful it will go through. Twitter

Irony.
This trade might hinge on Deron Williams re-signing with the Nets.
Because if Williams re-signs, Joe Johnson trade happens, and then the Marvin Wililams trade happens. I might have this all wrong...but if I don't, then this is all back to D-Will.
 
Irony.
This trade might hinge on Deron Williams re-signing with the Nets.
Because if Williams re-signs, Joe Johnson trade happens, and then the Marvin Wililams trade happens. I might have this all wrong...but if I don't, then this is all back to D-Will.
I read that the JJ trade goes through regardless if D-Will returns or not.
 
You can use a massive amount of cap room for alot more than simply signing players to max-contracts. Excessive space is what landed Rajon Rondo in Boston, Serge Ibaka in OKC and Gordon Hayward in Utah.

Good point but cant we still do that even with Marvins $7.5 Mil? I guess alot depends on if we extend Millsap.
 
Short-term this is a good move in that it fills a pressing need while only costing Utah at a position they had a surplus in. Longterm I'll only like this move if Marvin Williams does not exercise his $7.5 million player-option in 2013. Granted it's a small step back from the $8.3 mil he's due this year, but he was still an overpaid wing who is solid but not extraordinary in any particular area. It's a much better move for ATL in that it further enables them to make a run for Dwight Howard - or at the very least become a player in the summer of 2013. As for the Jazz...it definitely cuts into a chunk of that 2013 cap space they were looking at.

I'm assuming 60 million dollars is the cap number next off season. Jazz WERE at 16 million. Now they'll be at 23.5 million, still 37 million dollars under the cap. Even with cap holds, the Jazz should have monies for free agents.
 
I'm not sure how I feel. Devin was coming on strong last year, but Mo is better. Marvin Williams has always seemed like a disappointment to me when you consider where he was drafted. So many question marks.
 
If he does opt in, can we then flip him immediately next summer? He will be an expiring.

Also, I'm not sure how much we've really improved this off-season. I mean, on paper, sure Mo and Marvin sound better than Harris and Miles/Bell/Howard but let's not ignore the fact that Marvin's three point percentage could be and likely was an anomaly last season, that Mo doesn't really seem to fit in an up tempo style (which we should utilize) like Harris more or less did, that this could mean more playing time for Burks which sounds great and gets me excited but the fact remains he still has a lot of work to do, and maybe most importantly, that chemistry matters. These could be some solid moves but only time will tell.

In brief, I'm on the fence with how I feel about our two moves thus far. The change is sort of nice so if I had to choose, I like them. But it could handcuff us next summer and really isn't leading us to contender status. So who knows. Maybe Marvin will age well and evolve into a long, semi-elite defender or something.
 
If Marvin williams was that good, he wouldnt have been that overlooked for all those years behind freaking Josh Smith while being a 2nd draft pick. He is just an ok starter in a good team.
 
We should be better next year and we haven't screwed the re-build.
And, I don't think we are done.
Don't over think it. Mo + Marvin > Harris + Howard/CJ. All ****ing day.
 
I like our size if nothing else. We have a solid frontcourt already and adding Williams at the 3 with Hayward at the 2 makes us long as hell. Looking simply at his career stats, his assists per game are a little bit of a concern for me. How is his ball movement? And while I read here that he's solid on defense, I wonder how good. His personal fouls per game is very low so I almost wonder if he's not aggressive enough. Because that's what I want. Aggressive, nasty, in your face, won't back down from no one mother ****ers. Doubt he's that. Again, anyone who can provide some insight on the guy will get some rep from me. KKKarolina? Your trailer park's down that way, no?

I'm optimistic. At least on the rebounding side of things. Per David Locke:

David Locke ‏@Lockedonsports
Marvin Williams is the 10th best defensive rebounding small forward in the NBA (defensive rebounding rate)
 
VERY happy to see there is definitely is going to be a shake-up, and I like the move.

However, it does bother me a bit to see Hawks fans acting like they just won the lottery. Nobody should be that happy about acquiring Devin.
 
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VERY happy to see there is definitely is going to be a shake-up, and I like the move.

However, it does bother me a bit to see Hawks fan acting like they just won the lottery. Nobody should be that happy about aquiring Devin.

Williams is just their CJ. A perpetual underachiever who isn't that great that they were just sick to death of.
 
Here is Hollingers take on him:

+ Passive combo forward with good midrange shot. Excellent finisher in transition.

+ Long-armed wing defender who needs to add strength. Can play 4 in a pinch.

+ Decent lateral movement; solid defender who often guards opponent's best wing.

Williams is a perfectly decent small forward, which would be totally fine if he hadn't been the second overall pick and then got a five-year, $35 million contract when his rookie deal expired. Compared to those expectations, he's been a disappointment. His lack of improvement over the past three seasons has been particularly deflating; despite a sign here and a flash there, his production hasn't budged an inch.

The best thing going for Williams is his midrange jumper -- he made 43.7 percent of his long 2s last season. However, he's been unable to extend his range to the 3-point line, which would make a huge difference for him in efficiency. Although Williams doesn't look for his offense, his size and athleticism often force opposing wings to foul him; he averaged 0.32 free throw attempts per field goal attempt without being terribly aggressive or tricky. Again, this tantalizes, but no turning of the corner appears in the offing.

Defensively, it's a similar story. Williams is a good, solid 3 with outstanding length and reasonable mobility, but he's not a guy who eats nails for breakfast. You don't want to match him up against top-notch scorers every night, although the Hawks often were forced to.

Basically, this is what he is. He's 25 and he hasn't progressed in three years. He'll have a nice career as a sometime starter at the 3, but I think we can stop projecting beyond that.

Not sure what he was on about here. He's seemed to have steadily improved his 3pt shooting (regular season):

09/10: 30.3%
10/11: 33.6%
11/12: 38.9%

Hopefully it's a permanent trend not just an outlier. KOC would probably know the answer to that....
 
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