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Jazz vs Hornets | Wednesday November 24th @ 7pm

Jazz have been at their worst on the defensive glass with Kyrylo Fesenko on the floor (57.9% def reb)
-per David Locke.
LOL at that clown IGS.
 
I see the Jazz winning this one handily. Now the big issue is still rebounding, must improve there to continue being successful.

Jazz by 11
 
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Jazz woes – unanswered prayer; chaplain involved; Sloan seeks focus

Published on Nov 23, 2010 09:52PM 0 Comments

Jazz guard Deron Williams and coach Jerry Sloan addressed Utah's recent rebounding woes while speaking with the media Tuesday morning prior to practice.
The Jazz are being outrebounded by an average of 45.2 to 40.2, while Utah has been outrebounded 240-186 during the team's last five games.

Williams on winning games despite not rebounding well: "Every game you look at it, we're getting outrebounded by 10, 12 rebounds. We're surviving, but it's something we've got to get better at."

Who's not crashing the boards: "It's everybody. We've just been unfortunate. We've had some teams shoot pretty bad against us, and they've had some bad shots that end up flying out. But we've got to do a better job of boxing out as a group. You can say it's the big men [who] rebound, but we've got to get in there and help them."

How much the team is talking about it: "It's definitely been brought to our attention. Guys like you want to talk about it. Our chaplain mentioned it in the prayer, so it must be a big problem. [Laughs] In the middle of a prayer we pray that we can rebound, so it's got to be a problem. … I think that's the game we gave up 24 offensive rebounds. So, it didn't help. God didn't answer that one. [Laughs]"

Sloan on making strategic changes to improve Utah's rebounding: "Yeah. We've talked about it a little bit; not a lot. I think that's something that everybody should be able to do. You recognize when a shot goes up and a shot doesn't go in, then everybody takes off and goes the other way. I don't know how you correct that. I don't like hamburger drills; you've got to think about an 82-game schedule. Hopefully we adjust to it or make some changes."

Running before rebounding: "Get back on defense. A shot goes last night in front of our bench and we started off — I don't know how many times it was — we shoot the ball, nobody offensive rebounds, and we fall back. And we've always been a good rebounding team. I always thought it had a lot to do with our offensive kind of shots we got. Where you hope you have somebody go to the basket on a shot, and you should be recognizing the fact that guy's getting ready to shoot it. Those things you've got to take into consideration and put yourself in situation maybe to get a pass or a rebound. So, I think it's concentration. After all the years I've watched it, guys that concentrate on rebounding and like to rebound, they always do it — it's a day in and day out job."

— Brian T. Smith
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colton said:
What's a hamburger drill?
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I also like using the hamburger drill for getting better at shooting under pressure. You have groups of three to four under the basket with a coach. The coach shoots the ball to start the drill. The players rebound the shot and try to score. Players rebound each shot they shoot and keep playing. Made shots are live out of the net as well. Games are played to a set number of points, losers have sprtints or situps/pushups. The kicker is this: the players are allowed to foul, to a point. Instruct them not to hit each other in the face or anything, but to hit each others arms in order to keep them from making the shots. It gets players used to absorbing contact and scoring the layups and gets them a more aggressive attitude about going to the rim.
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Marty McFly said:
Jazz have been at their worst on the defensive glass with Kyrylo Fesenko on the floor (57.9% def reb)
-per David Locke.
LOL at that clown IGS.
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LOL back at you; despite the low defensive rebounding percentage, the defense is as good or better overall with Fes (or probably Elson) on the floor than with Jefferson. Primary reasons? Height and effort, the latter of which Jefferson could resolve easily (and probably would more readily if actual effort was enforced).

One reason that the defensive RB % is low with Fesenko on the floor is that Fesenko actually goes out to challenge shots, cut off lanes, and deter driving, not camping out for rebounds like AJ (or Boozer) does. I don't think that Fes boxes out particualrly well, but when he's moving his feet, his activity usually translates to rebounding also, just like it does with AJ.

I invite you to review the Spurs replay at 0:40, 1:05, and 2:05 so show examples of Jefferson being ineffective at rebounding and help defense, respectively. At least he could step toward the player or lift a hand when someone drives into the lane.
https://www.nba.com/games/20101119/SASUTA/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

This is Boozer all over again, but a notch worse (explaining the lower overall defensive rebounding %), including the lack of enforcement of effort on D. Like CB, AJ plays passive defense sometimes. Unlike CB, though, AJ doesn't box out as well, and I'm not sure if he's any more agile than Booz.

It's amazing how both Big Al and Boober Booze got agile on offense, though.
 
Jeff said:
I don't see that happening. Did you read somewhere that, that was the plan for tonight?
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Do you think it's going to be Williams? Remember Bell guarded Tyreke for most of the Kings game. I was making an assumption.
 
InGameStrategy said:
One reason that the defensive RB % is low with Fesenko on the floor is that Fesenko actually goes out to challenge shots, cut off lanes, and deter driving, not camping out for rebounds like AJ (or Boozer) does. I don't think that Fes boxes out particualrly well, but when he's moving his feet, his activity usually translates to rebounding also, just like it does with AJ.
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lol, Dwight Howard does all that, and doubles Fesenko in rebound rate. Hell, Samuel Dalembert "challenges shots, cuts off lanes, and defers driving and has a humongously higher Defensive rebound rate than Fesenko. Hell, Joel Anthony has a higher DReb rate than Fesenko. I'm wondering if Fesenko has the worst Defensive rebounding rate than any 4/5 man in the league with over 100 minutes played. I don't know who would have worse than a 13.5% rate.

EDIT: Tried Milicic because of Love's ridiculous rebounding rate. Nope. 17%.

EDIT#2: Found one! Nenad Krstic has a 13.5% as well. Not worse, though, so Fesenko is still last, but just tied for last.

EDIT #3: Damn! Tried to use converted three forced to play four to beat Fesenko's pathetic rate. Rashard Lewis has a 14% rate, and Hedo Turkoglu has a 15.2% rate.

EDIT #4: Whoo!!!!! Finally found one!! Brook Lopez, a guy getting blasted for his failure to rebound the ball, has a 13.3% Defensive Rebounding Rate, so he's the worst!
 
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Darkwing Duck said:
lol, Dwight Howard does all that, and doubles Fesenko in rebound rate. Hell, Samuel Dalembert "challenges shots, cuts off lanes, and defers driving and has a humongously higher Defensive rebound rate than Fesenko. Hell, Joel Anthony has a higher DReb rate than Fesenko. I'm wondering if Fesenko has the worst Defensive rebounding rate than any 4/5 man in the league with over 100 minutes played. I don't know who would have worse than a 13.5% rate.

EDIT: Tried Milicic because of Love's ridiculous rebounding rate. Nope. 17%.

EDIT#2: Found one! Nenad Krstic has a 13.5% as well. Not worse, though, so Fesenko is still last, but just tied for last.

EDIT #3: Damn! Tried to use converted three forced to play four to beat Fesenko's pathetic rate. Rashard Lewis has a 14% rate, and Hedo Turkoglu has a 15.2% rate.
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using Hollinger's Rebound Rate stat and filtering for the center position:

41. darko
42. tolliver
43. joel anthony
44. hawes
45. nene
45. KOUFOS!
47. krstic
47. erden
49. FES
50. brad miller
51. mozgov
52. brook lopez
53. channing frye
54. thabeet
55. hollins
56. solomon jones
57. trevor booker
58. bargnani
59. turiaf
 
colton said:
What's a hamburger drill?
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Whatever it is, I bet Big Baby is good at it.

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r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t said:
using Hollinger's Rebound Rate stat and filtering for the center position:

41. darko
42. tolliver
43. joel anthony
44. hawes
45. nene
45. KOUFOS!
47. krstic
47. erden
49. FES
50. brad miller
51. mozgov
52. brook lopez
53. channing frye
54. thabeet
55. hollins
56. solomon jones
57. trevor booker
58. bargnani
59. turiaf
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Is that Total Rebound Rate or Defensive Rebound Rate? Frye has an 18.8% Defensive Rebound Rate. I don't have access to Hollinger, but the preview suggest Total Rebound Rate. Fesenko has a very good Offensive Rebounding rate, which raises his Total Rebound Rate a bit. Frye has a comically low 2.5% OReb rate. Not really surprising though given the system he's in.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Is that Total Rebound Rate or Defensive Rebound Rate? Frye has an 18.8% Defensive Rebound Rate.
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oops, i used total Rebound Rate:

REBR: Rebound Rate - the percentage of missed shots that a player rebounds. Rebound Rate = (100 x (Rebounds x Team Minutes)) divided by [Player Minutes x (Team Rebounds + Opponent Rebounds)]
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sorry, i should've used the "DRR" instead:

50. koufos
51. thabeet
52. krstic
52. fes
54. brook lopez
55. pekovic
56. bargnani
57. booker
58. turiaf
59. hollins

Thabeet... what a bust, and yet a better rebounder than Fes.
 
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