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Jazz wins over under

dipship31 said:
It's just never a good idea to bet on your home team, period.
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I disagree
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I'm not a gambler, but this rule doesn't make much sense to me. You think it's a better idea to place your money on teams you don't know as well?
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This.
I know allot about the jazz and also possess the ability to be objective about them when gambling
 
dipship31 said:
When you bet on your home teams you aren't betting objectively. How many fans of other teams would take their over bet?
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Everybody who took the over bet on the Jazz last year won money, but your logic says it was a bad bet for those who were Jazz fans? Makes no sense.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Everybody who took the over bet on the Jazz last year won money, but your logic says it was a bad bet for those who were Jazz fans? Makes no sense.
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It worked out last year, but what about others? Think back to '04/'05, I bet our over under was around 40. Everyone on here would've been like "EASY MONEY! We already won 40 games last year and we added Boozer and Memo!"
 
dipship31 said:
It worked out last year, but what about others? Think back to '04/'05, I bet our over under was around 40. Everyone on here would've been like "EASY MONEY! We already won 40 games last year and we added Boozer and Memo!"
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I get your argument. I don't bet on teams I'm emotionally invested in because I have a hard time eliminating the emotion. Some people can do it though. And a bet is never a sure thing. Even the over/under this year is not a sure thing.
 
I'm guilty of it last year as well. I saw 26 wins or whatever it was at and thought it seemed so damn low and looked like a good bet, but I've thought that plenty of seasons with the Jazz and plenty of times they didn't hit their over/under
 
Right now, the Jazz need to shoot for 42 wins, while having all the young players show significant improvement and learn to play as s cohesive unit. Anything above a winning record right now is gravy and would have put them in the playoff hunt at the end of the season. That's really all we can ask for with such a young team. I'd rather have Rudy, DFave, Lyles, Hayward, Jingles, Hood, Burks, Exum and Burke willing to take chances on expanding their offensive game while still learning how to play great team defense, than have them worry about wins and losses. That's Snyder's job.
 
Some people seem to think that it is Vegas's job to accurately predict the record. It's not. Their job is to pick a number where they divide the bets in half. The Jazz are a unique situation in that they are small market with a fan base that is probably less inclined to wager. In order to entice bettors, thy would probably need to move the post toward the surer bet. It is probable that betting on the Jazz, while not a sure thing, is better than a 50/50 proposition.
 
Ellis269 said:
Right now, the Jazz need to shoot for 42 wins, while having all the young players show significant improvement and learn to play as s cohesive unit. Anything above a winning record right now is gravy and would have put them in the playoff hunt at the end of the season. That's really all we can ask for with such a young team. I'd rather have Rudy, DFave, Lyles, Hayward, Jingles, Hood, Burks, Exum and Burke willing to take chances on expanding their offensive game while still learning how to play great team defense, than have them worry about wins and losses. That's Snyder's job.
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For this squad to win only 42 games is not significant improvement it is treading water. This team needs to shoot for a 50+ win season.

Last season was an anomaly and I think they need to look at how they played post all star as a measuring stick for what this team needs to do this year. Post all star the Jazz had the best D by a wide marginand the 7th best record.

42 is treading water at beast and only 4 more wins.
 
Stoked said:
For this squad to win only 42 games is not significant improvement it is treading water. This team needs to shoot for a 50+ win season.

Last season was an anomaly and I think they need to look at how they played post all star as a measuring stick for what this team needs to do this year. Post all star the Jazz had the best D by a wide marginand the 7th best record.

42 is treading water at beast and only 4 more wins.
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Agree. Last year there was a new coach, a new system, new players and uncertain roles. There should be significant improvement this year just due to continuity.
 
framer said:
Some people seem to think that it is Vegas's job to accurately predict the record. It's not. Their job is to pick a number where they divide the bets in half. The Jazz are a unique situation in that they are small market with a fan base that is probably less inclined to wager. In order to entice bettors, thy would probably need to move the post toward the surer bet. It is probable that betting on the Jazz, while not a sure thing, is better than a 50/50 proposition.
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:^O
Awesome
 
I know that for 4 years in a row before Corbin era I was consistently beating bookies over first 10 games of the season. Ended up making $1300 out of free $50 signup promo. Never bet on anything else before or after, the Jazz only, and it makes sense because I know my team better to predict their play until bookies adjust to the actual record.

The only significant issue is adding Burks to rotation and uncertainty of his impact on defense, because it's D that brings a team to 0.5 record. But as I said, I will wait until preseason to decide on how sure this thing is.
 
Catchall said:
Agree. Last year there was a new coach, a new system, new players and uncertain roles. There should be significant improvement this year just due to continuity.
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Just considering how bad the Jazz were the first half of the year last year makes me salivate about what our record could be this year.
 
They played at a 48 win pace for the entire second half of the season (including a 54 win pace after the Kanter trade).

If the Jazz only finished in the low to mid 40's next season, it would be disappointing.
 
KD's Framily said:
They played at a 48 win pace for the entire second half of the season (including a 54 win pace after the Kanter trade).

If the Jazz only finished in the low to mid 40's next season, it would be disappointing.
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All this while really not even trying in the last few games.
 
gregbroncs said:
All this while really not even trying in the last few games.
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Plus injuries to Hood and Burks and horrible PG play.

Burks is back
Exum, Hood and Gobert will all show solid to significant improvement.
Bench is deeper


Jazz win 53
 
Stoked said:
Plus injuries to Hood and Burks and horrible PG play.

Burks is back
Exum, Hood and Gobert will all show solid to significant improvement.
Bench is deeper


Jazz win 53
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I wish I could jump into the Kool-Aid vat with you. This is finally the year where I think I might be underestimating them drastically.


Howevva...


You seem to be looking at straight up wins and losses instead of quality of opponent. Getting from 30 to 40 wins means beating all the sub .500 teams. All of them. Getting from 40 to 44-45-ish means competing with the challengers for 7th and 8th seeds. Getting over 45 means beating those 7th and 8th seeds with consistency. Getting to 50 means pushing the 5th spot teams down to 7th and 8th seeds.

It's a huge leap from 45 to 50 wins, although it's only 11% more wins ON PAPER.


Read that before anyone bets on their team.
 
franklin said:
I wish I could jump into the Kool-Aid vat with you. This is finally the year where I think I might be underestimating them drastically.


Howevva...


You seem to be looking at straight up wins and losses instead of quality of opponent. Getting from 30 to 40 wins means beating all the sub .500 teams. All of them. Getting from 40 to 44-45-ish means competing with the challengers for 7th and 8th seeds. Getting over 45 means beating those 7th and 8th seeds with consistency. Getting to 50 means pushing the 5th spot teams down to 7th and 8th seeds.

It's a huge leap from 45 to 50 wins, although it's only 11% more wins ON PAPER.


Read that before anyone bets on their team.
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It is absolutely a very big jump. But I think Snyder will have this team dialed in.
Jazz were playing at the level of the 8th and 7th seeds post all star or better.
 
43 wins is a reasonable "low" I think.

Jazz needed scoring? Okay, Hood and (hopefully) Exum improves and Burks comes back.

Jazz needed some depth at the 1 and 5? Okay, let's see what Neto and Pleiss can do.

The turn around last season from beginning to end was remarkable. This roster is basically set and the team has a heartbeat. The odds are good for the playoffs and 50 wins is a reasonable expectation, I think.
 
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