Jefferson thinks Sloan can unleash the ‘Beast' that's been in him for "so long"

[Fishsticks]

Nice, lol. +2,301 internets. You made a profit my friend. (Cheesy smiley, hehe)




Ghetto? Cause he's black? By the sounds of his up-bringing, he doesn't seem to come from any ghetto I know.

Because I am sure you know many ghettos? Get out of here *******.

 

[Fishsticks]

Too bad they don't have ghettos in small southern towns, you ****ing hack.

You are obviously a VERY stupid person. Besides that you are just stupid, maybe in your small whacked out town you have not come to realize that Ghetto is the meaning of many things. FO

 

[Jean-Luc]

I just think you are reinforcing the perception that the world (and NBA players) have of Utah.

This happens pretty regularly here on Jazzfanz my friend.

You should use the ignore feature for "CarolinaJazz" and "Ain'tNuthin," err "Hopper" and you'll probably be a lot happier.

 

[Fishsticks]

I can see where Hipporippo is coming from jumping to that conclusion. I mean with all the borderline racism that goes on on this forum on a regular basis with everyone acting as if it's the norm, it's not hard to connect the dots even if that was not the intended innuendo.

Not saying anyone is right. I'm just saying it's easy to see all sides of this. Just look at all the racist stuff CJ blurts out on this forum on a regular basis. Acting as if anyone who's not white or has tattoos is some second hand citizen who isn't worth a damn and shouldn't be respected.

Anyway. It might be nice if we all, including me, tried to practice a little more tolerance and understanding of those who aren't exactly like ourselves. And not assume or be so quick to put people into neat little stereotypes based on our limited world experience and sometimes narrow views.

Just sayin... peace, love, hug a tree...or something.

I firmly believe anyone who saw my post as racisit is from Utah. If not from Utah some othercrappy place with no diversity. Quit being so damn sensitive.

 

[KhaOZ]

Because I am sure you know many ghettos? Get out of here *******.

lol. And you know me how?

 

[Fishsticks]

lol. And you know me how?

Tough guy from the Ghetto, huh. Sucks to be you dumb ***

 

[InGameStrategy]

Some posters round this here joint (S2, where are ya?) seem to worry 24/7 because they don't think Jerry knows how to "relate" to selfish, lazy, candyass players like Meech and Girichuck. Even if that's true, like, who cares, eh? And what else would ya expect? The players who want to work hard, want to be pushed, want to play better defense, etc. (Bell and Jefferson for just two recent examples, Stockton and Malone from days past) WANT to play for a coach like Sloan. And who better to have on your team, I ax ya? A squad fulla Meechs and Chucks? I don't think so! Homey don't play dat.

Well, Aint, the problem is that it is difficult to fill a team with players who have self-motivation and/or are already developed/mature/into the team concept. IMHO, what makes a great coach is one who can instill those things. How much credit should a coach get for being able to integrate players who are low maintenance?

That being said, kudos to Sloan for having a reputation to lure players such as AJ and Bell (for a second time). But speaking of candyass, he didn't insist on Boozer or Okur playing defense, and I don't see anything impressive about the rate that he developed the likes of CJ and Fes. Development is a partnership between coach and player, but the coaches have to do their parts. Add to that the numerous alienations that Sloan has racked up (Giri, AK, Meech, Arroyo, etc.), and Sloan is a big meh in that human relations department, too.

 

[honz]

You are obviously a VERY stupid person. Besides that you are just stupid, maybe in your small whacked out town you have not come to realize that Ghetto is the meaning of many things. FO

Actually, it has a very specific meaning, friend.

 

[KhaOZ]

Tough guy from the Ghetto, huh. Sucks to be you dumb ***

So... I say "you know me how?", and that some how translates into I'm pretending to be some tough guy from the ghetto, and that I'm a dumb ***? Your deductive skills are amazing there sherlock.

Just curious though. Why do you feel the need to bring this to insults? Why lower ourselves? No one was directly trashing you, so why react in this way? I'm not trying to hate, I'd just like to know what it is you feel I did to offend you.

 

[Fishsticks]

Actually, it has a very specific meaning, friend.

Actually you have no idea what you are talking about, and I am not about to explain it you.

 

[KhaOZ]

Well, Aint, the problem is that it is difficult to fill a team with players who have self-motivation and/or are already developed/mature/into the team concept. IMHO, what makes a great coach is one who can do that. How much credit should a coach get for being able to integrate players who are low maintenance?

That being said, kudos to Sloan for having a reputation to lure players such as AJ and Bell (for a second time). But speaking of candyass, he didn't insist on Boozer or Okur playing defense, and I don't see anything impressive about the rate that he developed the likes of CJ and Fes. Development is a partnership between coach and player, but the coaches have to do their parts. Add to that the numerous alienations that Sloan has racked up (Giri, AK, Meech, Arroyo, etc.) an Sloan is a big meh in that human relations department, too.

You do have a bit of a point. I was at the horse tracks over the weekend and was having a conversation with one of the horse trainers about his horse that was running. He was talking about how they switched jockeys and was explaining how a good jockey is like a good basketball coach. That they can take someone (or in this case a horse) with a lot of skill, and challenge them and push them an extra mile to bring out even more.

I'm not saying Sloan is or isn't that kind of Coach, I'm just agreeing that a great coach can take good players and push them to be even better.

 

[Fishsticks]

So... I say "you know me how?", and that some how translates into I'm pretending to be some tough guy from the ghetto, and that I'm a dumb ***? Your deductive skills are amazing there sherlock.

Just curious though. Why do you feel the need to bring this to insults? Why lower ourselves? No one was directly trashing you, so why react in this way? I'm not trying to hate, I'd just like to know what it is you feel I did to offend you.

Look, I could care less if you are from the Bario, ghetto or cherry hills. Fact is posters on this board are so damn sensitive because of legit racist on this board. The word Ghetto is commonly used amongst MANY people and it is common. Sorry to put you on blast, **** like this just pisses me off.

 

[Hopper]

I can see where Hipporippo is coming from jumping to that conclusion...Just look at all the racist stuff CJ blurts out on this forum on a regular basis. Acting as if anyone who's not white or has tattoos is some second hand citizen who isn't worth a damn and shouldn't be respected.

KhaOZ, take all the time you want and I will bet you that you can't find CJ criticizing anyone because they are "not white." He don't like tattoos, true dat, but he don't like them on nobuddy. He don't like "hoppers," but that aint synonomous with black people. It seems to me that the ones who call CJ "racist" put much more emphasis on, and make more stereotypical assumptions about, race and racial differences than CJ ever has.

 

[KhaOZ]

Look, I could care less if you are from the Bario, ghetto or cherry hills. Fact is posters on this board are so damn sensitive because of legit racist on this board. The word Ghetto is commonly used amongst MANY people and it is common. Sorry to put you on blast, **** like this just pisses me off.

All good. It is a sensitive subject for many, no doubt.

 

[Hopper]

Well, Aint, the problem is that it is difficult to fill a team with players who have self-motivation and/or are already developed/mature/into the team concept. IMHO, what makes a great coach is one who can instill those things.

Well, S2, ya know, I remember that there one time where my Mama, she said: "Looky here, hopper-boy, ya can't go puttin 10 pounds of crap into no 5 pound bag, eh? Remember that, boy."

 

[KhaOZ]

KhaOZ, take all the time you want and I will bet you that you can't find CJ criticizing anyone because they are "not white." He don't like tattoos, true dat, but he don't like them on nobuddy. He don't like "hoppers," but that aint synonomous with black people. It seems to me that the ones who call CJ "racist" put much more emphasis on, and make more stereotypical assumptions about, race and racial differences than CJ ever has.

That may or may not be true. I honestly don't pay that close attention to him, and perhaps shouldn't have called him out like that. I just know his reputation from seeing how others respond to him and maybe made some assumptions of his use of the word "hoppers." I more come here for info on the Jazz than the temperament of interracial tolerance amongst the people of Utah or Jazz fans, so I can't say I've closely watched the discussions or participated in any till now. I do admit though that I could be off base with the CJ remark.

EDIT: One more note. I did mention earlier that I include myself in the statement about people needing to be more understanding and tolerant. Just making light of that if in-fact CJ is just misunderstood.

EDIT2: I also have to mention that I've always assumed his use of "hoppers" meant hip-hop types, which in my mind some how tied back around to minorities in general. Not saying my assumption is right or anything.

 

[Hopper]

EDIT: One more note. I did mention earlier that I include myself in the statement about people needing to be more understanding and tolerant. Just making light of that if in-fact CJ is just misunderstood.

EDIT2: I also have to mention that I've always assumed his use of "hoppers" meant hip-hop types, which in my mind some how tied back around to minorities in general. Not saying my assumption is right or anything.

1. Yeah, KhaOZ, I knew ya said that, and I know you weren't really tryin to be judgmental about CJ from the standpoint that you KNEW his character. I just make an effort to offset the ongoing slander I see about him all the time. It leads even well-meaning people like you to draw premature conclusions, I think.

2. The so-called "hip-hop" culture probably did start, or at least become more widespread at first, in the black community. Even so, it really has nuthin to do with "race" per se, and many whites have adopted that "culture" as their own--as CJ might put it, wearin caps crooked, pants down to their knees, and generally actin as disrepectful of "normal" society as possible. Blacks like Cosby condemn it too.

 

[honz]

Actually you have no idea what you are talking about, and I am not about to explain it you.

K bro. I think we've all heard it as a part of different saying that are around now days, but it still has a very specific meaning...and there are no ghettos in small town Mississippi. I know what you were saying, but you came off as ignorant so I felt like ****ing with you.

 

[KhaOZ]

1. Yeah, KhaOZ, I knew ya said that, and I know you weren't really tryin to be judgmental about CJ from the standpoint that you KNEW his character. I just make an effort to offset the ongoing slander I see about him all the time. It leads even well-meaning people like you to draw premature conclusions, I think.

2. The so-called "hip-hop" culture probably did start, or at least become more widespread at first, in the black community. Even so, it really has nuthin to do with "race" per se, and many whites have adopted that "culture" as their own--as CJ might put it, wearin caps crooked, pants down to their knees, and generally actin as disrepectful of "normal" society as possible. Blacks like Cosby condemn it too.

True @2. I did like when Cosby called out the rap community and talked about how they're only hurting themselves. I think all the white people in the world could have said it, and no one would have listened, or they would have called those white people racist or said they just don't get it, but coming from Cosby it had a lot of weight.

Sorry to further thread-jack here, but after Cosby was declared dead in the news the other night, he went on CNN to declare he was still alive, and that it was some internet hoax. He had this quote that's kind of stuck with me since I heard him say it. They asked what the afterlife would be like when he really did die. Cosby said he wasn't sure about heaven, but that he thinks "hell is a place where everyone is laughing, but nothing is funny."

 

[InGameStrategy]

Well, S2, ya know, I remember that there one time where my Mama, she said: "Looky here, hopper-boy, ya can't go puttin 10 pounds of crap into no 5 pound bag, eh? Remember that, boy."

That's funny. My mama used to tell me, "Looky here, Eminem. When life gives you 10 pounds of crap, make manure."

A coach has gotta go with what he's got, especially in a small market. Sloan is good at getting production out of players who are already motivated. Whoop tee do. Utah needs everyone--from the starting point guard to the third-string center--to be at maximum development and unity. At some times during the past 20 years, Sloan has been better than others at making this happen.