Jefferson thinks Sloan can unleash the ‘Beast' that's been in him for "so long"

[richgates]

You are obviously a VERY stupid person. Besides that you are just stupid, maybe in your small whacked out town you have not come to realize that Ghetto is the meaning of many things. FO

Let's not try to kid ourselves here. There is one definition of "ghetto" that is used primarily and it is used to describe African-Americans like you did. I don't buy for one minute you meant it any other way, and I suspect several others don't either. At least have the testicular fortitude to stand by what you said and meant rather than pretend there is some other definition that others don't seem to get.

 

[Hopper]

S2, did you happen to read Popovich's analysis of what is needed in players, and note his comments that Utah was the best at it? It's in another thread.

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php/1614-Spurs-Imitate-Jazz-(Da-theefs-dem)

 

[Hopper]

Let's not try to kid ourselves here. There is one definition of "ghetto" that is used primarily and it is used to describe African-Americans like you did. I don't buy for one minute you meant it any other way, and I suspect several others don't either. At least have the testicular fortitude to stand by what you said and meant rather than pretend there is some other definition that others don't seem to get.

Traditionally, the term "ghetto" has never been used to refer to blacks in particular

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Main Entry: 1ghet·to
Pronunciation: \ˈge-(ˌ)tō\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural ghettos also ghettoes
Etymology: Italian, from Venetian dial. ghèto island where Jews were forced to live, literally, foundry (located on the island), from ghetàr to cast, from Latin jactare to throw — more at jet
Date: 1611
1 : a quarter of a city in which Jews were formerly required to live
2 : a quarter of a city in which members of a minority group live especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure
3 a : an isolated group <a geriatric ghetto> b : a situation that resembles a ghetto especially in conferring inferior status or limiting opportunity <the pink-collar ghetto>
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It was coined 400 years ago, and originally was confined to jewish concentrations. Since then it has been expanded to include any minority, such as an "Irish ghetto," or a "polish ghetto."

 

[richgates]

Hopper:

I know you're trying to troll so I'll make this brief. The term "ghetto" that has been floating around as part of the lexicon for some time now has nothing to do with Jewish people and you know this. Now I am not saying that BOX is a racist, but the way he used the term came across as derogatory to me, and I believe that some might find it offensive. It's not his call whether or not people should be offended or not.

 

[Hopper]

Hopper:

I know you're trying to troll so I'll make this brief. The term "ghetto" that has been floating around as part of the lexicon for some time now has nothing to do with Jewish people and you know this.

I don't claim to know more about the meaning of words than people who edit dictionaries, Rich, as apparently you do.

Just curious, what do you mean by "for some time?" Would that mebbe be the same as the time since you, personally, first heard the word, I wonder?

 

[Gameface]

Let's not forget one important fact in this debate: Al Jefferson is not well spoken. He does not use what could be described as "proper English." So do we have to dance around that fact or is it okay to state it plainly?

As I said eralier, "ghetto" has become a slang term that could be compared to "jury-rigged." My sister, for instance, seems to like using this term, a lot. If someone drives by in a car with squeaky brakes she'll say "Damn, that's ghetto," not at all implying anything racial about the person driving or the car. My sister is about as far from being a racist as possible. She just likes to use that term, even though I think she uses it too much.

I hate to mention this, partly because I don't think it really proves anything, but my sister and I were raised to be very firmly anti-racism. I ended some friendships when I was a teenager because people were racist or anti-gay. Both my sister and I are married to people who are not "white."

 

[Nate505]

He really needs to stop trying to speak proper. It makes him sweat a damn mess all over the place. This dude is Ghetto, but I could care less as he has passion and desire and he will be a beast this year.

The county he grew up in had less than 15k people. He's far more country than ghetto.

 

[Lakers_Slapper]

About a 3 minute video here from KSL's "sportsbeat Sunday," a lot of which has been posted before, but this boils it down to the gist.

"I started looking up [to Sloan] and seeing the great things he did as a player and the great things he did as a coach. So I always had respect for him.I think he's going to take my game to a whole other level, you know, bring that monster--that beast--out in me, that's been inside of me for so long."

https://www.ksl.com/?nid=304&sid=11830600&autostart=y

A statement like this makes me pretty excited for the season to start so we can see him play. How many players have come here to utah and made comments like this?? Obviously he is excited to be here and ready to start. His emotion and mind is in the right place. I think that we are going to see an Al Jefferson that we've never seen before. May be to early to tell. But at least we have a guy who is going to step on the floor ready to play. And maybe more importantly WANT TO. Unlike BOOzer who would take a week off if he had the hickups.

 

[Hopper]

Let's not forget one important fact in this debate: Al Jefferson is not well spoken. He does not use what could be described as "proper English." So do we have to dance around that fact or is it okay to state it plainly?

There are plenty of people hear who would probably say "yeah, we gotta dance around it," eh, Game? They would at least act that way even if they *said* "no, we don't"

My answer, and I aint just payin stupid lip service to something I don't really adhere to, is "of course not." And that fact has nuthin to do with race, or even intelligence, really.

Some might claim that anybuddy who graduates from high school without having a certain level of competency in written and spoken english can't be "intelligent." I disagree. Knowing English is a matter of education, not intelligence.

 

[Kyoto]

I haven't read much about whatever you guys are talking about, but I'm falling back on my 'Hopper is right' stance.

 

[Hopper]

Magic Johnson, for one, had absolutely atrocious grammatical patterns and an extremely limited vocabulary for the first few years he was in the NBA. He was a jock in high school, who only cared about playin ball, and it was no different for him in college really (all two years worth). Now he's an articulate commentator on national TV.

 

[Lakers_Slapper]

He really needs to stop trying to speak proper. It makes him sweat a damn mess all over the place. This dude is Ghetto, but I could care less as he has passion and desire and he will be a beast this year.

So are you saying he's ghetto because he's black or stupid because he's from the south? I really don't think that he's the one that's ignorant here.

 

[Hopper]

I especially like the insistence that Jefferson should "quit tryin to speak proper," eh?

 

[Kyoto]

Magic Johnson, for one, had absolutely atrocious grammatical patterns and an extremely limited vocabulary for the first few years he was in the NBA. He was a jock in high school, who only cared about playin ball, and it was no different for him in college really (all two years worth). Now he's an articulate commentator on national TV.

Can you imagine that fox actually gave him a talk show?? Unreal.

 

[Hopper]

Well, Aint, the problem is that it is difficult to fill a team with players who have self-motivation and/or are already developed/mature/into the team concept. IMHO, what makes a great coach is one who can instill those things. How much credit should a coach get for being able to integrate players who are low maintenance

"It's finding guys that fit the system. It's a matter of really making sure you bring in guys that have both the character and the ability to accept a role that you plan for them. If you're just thinking that because someone is talented it's going to work, it usually doesn't.


If you get guys and find out this guy doesn't work and that guy doesn't work, then all of the sudden you've wasted money and you've wasted corporate knowledge and the best player's time," Popovich said. "Great players only have so much time in the league, and it goes more quickly than any of us think." (Popovich)

I don't see Popovich posing as some master psychologist who can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear when it comes to prima donnas and/or unmotivated players, eh, S2? NBA coaches aren't adults teachin impressionable, eager-to-please, 5th graders, over whom they can have tremendous influence. But that's the level you seem to be thinkin on.

Many players who have played for Sloan (including Meech, even) have given high praise to him for his teachin ability. That aint to say he can make a horse drink, though. Just ax Meech, who said once he got his big contract, he didn't care about basketball anymore.

 

[Fishsticks]

Let's not try to kid ourselves here. There is one definition of "ghetto" that is used primarily and it is used to describe African-Americans like you did. I don't buy for one minute you meant it any other way, and I suspect several others don't either. At least have the testicular fortitude to stand by what you said and meant rather than pretend there is some other definition that others don't seem to get.

You assume I am white which makes this all the more comical. Get off the box clown.
Is that how you use the term gheto? The people I run with come in all colors and we all use the term as it presents itself. In fact I don't know anyone who has never used the term. Alot of people in Utah have this anxiety about how people around the USA view them. Well you come off square as hell with your diatribe.

 

[Fishsticks]

So are you saying he's ghetto because he's black or stupid because he's from the south? I really don't think that he's the one that's ignorant here.

I said he was gheto because I felt like it. Good?

 

[richgates]

You assume I am white which makes this all the more comical. Get off the box clown.
Is that how you use the term gheto? The people I run with come in all colors and we all use the term as it presents itself. In fact I don't know anyone who has never used the term. Alot of people in Utah have this anxiety about how people around the USA view them. Well you come off square as hell with your diatribe.

I'm not assuming anything about your race. Since you clearly didn't mean "ghetto" as a derogatory term toward Al Jefferson, what exactly DID you mean by it? Let me guess, you don't owe me or anyone else an explanation?

 

[Hopper]

The first time I heard anybody use the word "fox" to mean a Babe was back in the 1920's, and, guess what?: It was me what done it, that's what! I knew as soon as I said it that EVERYONE now used it that way and that all the dictionary's had been rewritten. A "fox" simply wasn't a 4 legged critter anymore, and never would be. Words mean whatever I say they mean. For EVERYBODY.

 

[Fishsticks]

You assume I am white which makes this all the more comical. Get off the box clown.
Is that how you use the term gheto? The people I run with come in all colors and we all use the term as it presents itself. In fact I don't know anyone who has never used the term. Alot of people in Utah have this anxiety about how people around the USA view them. Well you come off square as hell with your diatribe.

I'm not assuming anything about your race. Since you clearly didn't mean "ghetto" as a derogatory term toward Al Jefferson, what exactly DID you mean by it? Let me guess, you don't owe me or anyone else an explanation?

damn right I don't owe you an explanation. Who the hell you think you are?