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Jody Genessy Deseret News - Hayward "wants better talent around him"

King Cy said:
No, Fish only cares about per 36 for some reason because it fits his narrative.
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Not at all. I don't know how to adjust stats for pace.
I don't even have a narrative. Someone else said that Hayward took a small step back last year (nothing to freak out about btw) and I decided to compare his stats this year vs last year and posted what I found.
They are not way worse or anything. Just a little worse across the board. I'm sure there are many reasons why that's the case (injuries, running so much, playing so many minutes, other players stepping up more, pace, coaching, tougher schedule, new baby).... there is no way that he didn't improve last year. Impossible. Every season for Hayward is better than the last no matter what.
 
fishonjazz said:
Not at all. I don't know how to adjust stats for pace.
I don't even have a narrative. Someone else said that Hayward took a small step back last year (nothing to freak out about btw) and I decided to compare his stats this year vs last year and posted what I found.
They are not way worse or anything. Just a little worse across the board. I'm sure there are many reasons why that's the case (injuries, running so much, playing so many minutes, other players stepping up more, pace, coaching, tougher schedule, new baby).... there is no way that he didn't improve last year. Impossible. Every season for Hayward is better than the last no matter what.
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I think he took a big step as a defender and overall took a step forward.
 
Hayward did take a big step forward except for last minute possessions where he still throws the ball away.Jazz need to play faster this year and I think you'll really see what Hayward and Hood can do
 
King Cy said:
So you agree he took a small step back or a step forward?
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Well at first I thought he took a small step back offensively, but then I realized that is simply not possible for Hayward. Then you provided some really good info that cemented it in my mind that Hayward took a step forward.

Forward it is.
 
NAOS said:
who argues that Hayward took a small step back last year?
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Maybe, but isn't that attributed to his team taking a step back and the defenses keying on Hayward?


He may never be a super star, but he is the closest thing the jazz have, if he needs more help, they better get it for him.
 
It seems like this article is doing some speculation too. I didn't read one quote from Hayward wanting to play with a better PG. Of course, any NBA player wants to play with better players so why wouldn't Hayward, the only thing I've ever heard from Gordon is how he needs to get better.

I am a big fan of Gordon, I think he gets way too much criticism and I hope he remains a Jazzman for life.
 
King Cy said:
Nah, not really. At worst he was the same.

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So, decrease in FG %, 3pt %, FT attempts down (slight increase in percentage) isn't a step back? He made .4 more points on .7 more shots. He was less efficient last year. Like I said earlier, it was a small step back. Probably more indicative of those around him than it is of him though.
 
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I want a "#1 option" who can be relied on to get a good shot and not have many unforced turnovers in the closing minutes.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Yep. It will say a lot if he puts his money where his mouth is.
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Yep. A few Spurs' guys did this for years. Hayward needs to recognize the importance of that. If he, Gobert, Favors, Hood, and Exum each end up taking about 4M less per year than they could make elsewhere, that's 20M freed up so that everyone can be re-signed and/or the bench can be solidified. Seriously, is it gonna kill him to make 26M per year rather than 30M? Dude will still likely rake in over 250M in just NBA contracts alone by the time he retires (maybe even 300M) and be set. And that selflessness can help build a trust and camaderie that can build something special on the court imo.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
Yep. A few Spurs' guys did this for years. Hayward needs to recognize the importance of that. If he, Gobert, Favors, Hood, and Exum each end up taking about 4M less per year than they could make elsewhere, that's 20M freed up so that everyone can be re-signed and/or the bench can be solidified. Seriously, is it gonna kill him to make 26M per year rather than 30M? Dude will still likely rake in over 250M in just NBA contracts alone by the time he retires (maybe even 300M) and be set. And that selflessness can help build a trust and camaderie that can build something special on the court imo.
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so only about $320k per month each.
 
of course he wants better players around him...I hate that the Jazz have missed the playoffs for 4 straight years, I can't imagine how hard it is when you are a player on the team and keep missing the post season
 
Has anyone questioned whether he actually said this?

I'd be shocked tbh.

No better way to be seen as a malcontent and bad teammate than to imply it's "everybody else's fault."

I think contact is needed.
 
fishonjazz said:
Well at first I thought he took a small step back offensively, but then I realized that is simply not possible for Hayward. Then you provided some really good info that cemented it in my mind that Hayward took a step forward.

Forward it is.
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Here's what I saw:
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