[Jones]BREAKING: Jazz willing to engage Celtics in S&T talks: But Gordon Hayward must agree

[kabenac]

Yesterday was my birthday and I was hoping the Crowder deal would get done before midnight so I could celebrate. It's still amazing.

This is turning out better than if we'd traded Dash Gordon last season or the season before for Crowder and picks - we made it to the second round of the playoffs, drafted Mitchell and Bradley, got Rubio for a protected first and will be getting Crowder and an exception. Our roster is still good. People were calling for a rebuild and DL is making it a reload. If Boston really thinks they're getting Gasol, Ainge might try to add another player, we'll see. But Crowder is a perfect fit here.

 

[NAOS]

Between Crowder, the cap space savings and the exception we might be better off long term than we would be with Hayward staying.

Very real possibility.

I wonder if Ainge is regretting not trading next year's BKN pick + filler for Jimmy B instead of gutting his bench for Haywood? This 'Gordo is an asset-free or asset-lite acquisition' idea isn't looking so good.

 

[Siro]

I'm going to say top 3 protected pick then just so DL covers himself.

I was crucified last night for suggesting that. I bet he can be had if we offer lottery protected pick + a 2nd round pick. No?

 

[NUMBERICA]

Only Danny Ainge would sit around splitting hairs on pick protections from a team that he just took their (arguably) best player. ****ing miser.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I'm not giving up anything less-protected than lottery. That's a hard no for me.

 

[stitches]

People are suggesting :

Favors+Hayward for Olynyk and Crowder.

 

[Jeditiger]

I'm not giving up anything less-protected than lottery. That's a hard no for me.

I agree here, this must be the threshold starting point. The way salaries have exploded, picks are going to be worth far more.

 

[NUMBERICA]

People are suggesting :

Favors+Hayward for Olynyk and Crowder.

I'm not sure how the Olynyk thing would work as they renounced his rights.

But yes, I absolutely do that.

 

[Siro]

People are suggesting :

Favors+Hayward for Olynyk and Crowder.

Favors was borderline all star when healthy. Would be a mistake to dump him before we see if he can recover.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

I highly doubt DL would trade Exum, Mitchell, or Hood.

It's going to be 2018 unprotected. I'm calling it.

Or 2018 top 3 protected, some very limited form of protection. Or maybe rights to swap their LA pick and our pick?

I'll guess top 10 or lottery protected. Other than that, I just hope we don't give up anything else substantial. Maybe a future 2nd or Williams-Goss or something.

 

[NAOS]

Only Danny Ainge would sit around splitting hairs on pick protections from a team that he just took their (arguably) best player. ****ing miser.

...and, considering that twitter battle that Crowder had with Boston fans after last year's game there against the jazz, together with all this trade speculation, does Ainge not think he's losing Crowder anyway? I think it's probably safe to consider Crowder a distressed asset; the market for those goes down.

I personally hope Lindsey is threatening to go forward with tampering. I hope he's using that as leverage here. Ainge's reputation is already fragile. Those allegations would hurt. And, fwiw, I think a case for tampering could be built.

 

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Mark Murphy: Source says Hayward headed to Boston – press conference expected in next 2 days. Says Crowder S&T with Utah close, other details unclear. 48 mins ago – via Twitter Murf56

per http://hoopshype.com/team/utah-jazz/

 

[stitches]

I'm not sure how the Olynyk thing would work as they renounced his rights.

But yes, I absolutely do that.

They renounced his QO, not his rights I think. If I'm not mistaken?

 

[NUMBERICA]

Favors was borderline all star when healthy. Would be a mistake to dump him before we see if he can recover.

And if he's out the door? (I think he's out the door)

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

The time pressure is on Ainge here. The Jazz can sit back and explore all kinds of trades. They don't need to capitulate to Ainge.

 

[NUMBERICA]

They renounced his QO, not his rights I think. If I'm not mistaken?

The QO might be the whole kit n kaboodle, but I'd have to check.

 

[Siro]

And if he's out the door? (I think he's out the door)

Then you trade him. But he's always been happy in Utah, and the Jazz never mistreated him, I don't think.

 

[NAOS]

I want no part of Olynyk. I don't think he can play next to Gobert. Why would we pay a back-up C that price?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

People are suggesting :

Favors+Hayward for Olynyk and Crowder.

Yeah but then they have to trade Smart or Bradley too.

 

[Gameface]

And if he's out the door? (I think he's out the door)

Things can change during the season. If he is healthy and filling a big role on a team that ends up better off than expected after losing Hyaward he might warm up to the idea of sticking around, and fans would warm up to him as well.