[Jones]BREAKING: Jazz willing to engage Celtics in S&T talks: But Gordon Hayward must agree

[David Stern]

So how does a trade exception work? I forget. I think we used one to trade for Fat Al.

If we got a trade exception for Hayward, we could absorb 23 million in salary via trade, despite not having that much cap space. It would be a damn good deal and probably just as valuable for Crowder

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Who keeps talking about Favors being in the deal?

1. That's a dumb trade for the Jazz

2. That nullifies the reason Boston is doing this trade

Could be a three way trade with Favs going to say Phoenix and sending a pick or something to Boston. They could absorb Favs and had interest... just a total stab in the dark.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If we got a trade exception for Hayward, we could absorb 23 million in salary via trade, despite not having that much cap space. It would be a damn good deal and probably just as valuable for Crowder

Not only that but we'd be over the cap and could still use MLE and BAE while maintaining flexibility to add something big during the season. It is a frickin home run depending on cost. Prepared to be let down doe.

 

[Pastramiking]

If we got a trade exception for Hayward, we could absorb 23 million in salary via trade, despite not having that much cap space. It would be a damn good deal and probably just as valuable for Crowder

Utah could then use the trade exception to get Carmelo Anthony or Ryan Anderson.

 

[♪alt13]

Boston doesn't have to clear that room if it is a s&t, right? They only have to if he signs as a FA. Sure they give us crowder (gone anyway) but they get to keep everyone else.

 

[Coach Ellis]

The reason this hasn't gone threw is because the Celtics probably want Hood and the Jazz are probably saying "heck no," to it. We all know Crowder wants out now, and he definitely will get traded even if it isn't to the Jazz

If Hood stays healthy, he's going to be the Jazz leading scorer this year. He averaged 12.7 points per game and 3.4 rebounds per game. In the games he played while Hayward was out, he upped his numbers to 17.8 points per game and 4.9 rebounds per game. Small sample size, but Hood will become the first option to replace Hayward's production.

Overall, Hill (+2.7 ppg, -0.8 rpg, +0.3 apg), Hood (+5.1 ppg, +1.5 rpg, no change in apg), Joe Johnson (+5.0 ppg, +0.9 rpg, +1.5 apg) and Jingles (+3.9 ppg, +0.1 rpg, +0.2 apg) all increased their production when Hayward was out. (+16.7 ppg, +1.8 rpg, +1.8 apg. with higher usage rates)

 

[NAOS]

He might recover tho. I'm very skeptical, but not long ago, Favors was awesome. I'd rather give up a protected first and take a chance on Favors.

So, the upside is that we devote $45+ Million per season going forward to a Gobert-Favors combo?

I've reversed course and said that I wouldn't mind if Favors played out his contract here next year. But I also said that he'd do so, then walk, and that I could be cool with that because we had been considering temp options at 4 anyway and it might as well be Favs.

But if we get Crowder, then things shift. I think you look to recoup whatever value Favs has right now. With the upside being that everybody knows this is Gobert's team.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Boston doesn't have to clear that room if it is a s&t, right? They only have to if he signs as a FA. Sure they give us crowder (gone anyway) but they get to keep everyone else.

That's one of the benefits from their perspective. It allows them to keep their depth and enough assets to be flexible with other moves.

 

[NAOS]

Boston doesn't have to clear that room if it is a s&t, right? They only have to if he signs as a FA. Sure they give us crowder (gone anyway) but they get to keep everyone else.

That's one of the benefits from their perspective. It allows them to keep their depth and enough assets to be flexible with other moves.

Yep. This is a big bargaining chip for us. When you add this to the fact that Crowder likely wants out anyway, the Jazz should just stay cool and let Boston come back to them.

 

[Siro]

So, the upside is that we devote $45+ Million per season going forward to a Gobert-Favors combo?

I've reversed course and said that I wouldn't mind if Favors played out his contract here next year. But I also said that he'd do so, then walk, and that I could be cool with that because we had been considering temp options at 4 anyway and it might as well be Favs.

But if we get Crowder, then things shift. I think you look to recoup whatever value Favs has right now. With the upside being that everybody knows this is Gobert's team.

Favors was a good mid-range shooter before his injury. Really a fantastic 18-9 player. He might be worth resigning for 20m/y if he shows full recovery. The contract can always be flipped later.

But realistically, you're right. Favors probably have chronic issues, and Exum + Hood will need to be paid, and they are almost certainly better to retain than Favors.

I'd just hate to lose such a nice guy with the potential to be good again.

 

[NAOS]

Favors was a good mid-range shooter before his injury. Really a fantastic 18-9 player. He might be worth resigning for 20m/y if he shows full recovery. The contract can always be flipped later.

But realistically, you're right. Favors probably have chronic issues, and Exum + Hood will need to be paid, and they are almost certainly better to retain than Favors.

I'd just hate to lose such a nice guy with the potential to be good again.

this is why I started my "worry thread" months ago.

 

[♪alt13]

That's one of the benefits from their perspective. It allows them to keep their depth and enough assets to be flexible with other moves.

If I'm DL I'm telling Ainge "look if you want to dump all those assets in a hurry, have at it. Send me Crowder and you don't have to."

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

If Hood stays healthy, he's going to be the Jazz leading scorer this year. He averaged 12.7 points per game and 3.4 rebounds per game. In the games he played while Hayward was out, he upped his numbers to 17.8 points per game and 4.9 rebounds per game. Small sample size, but Hood will become the first option to replace Hayward's production.

Overall, Hill (+2.7 ppg, -0.8 rpg, +0.3 apg), Hood (+5.1 ppg, +1.5 rpg, no change in apg), Joe Johnson (+5.0 ppg, +0.9 rpg, +1.5 apg) and Jingles (+3.9 ppg, +0.1 rpg, +0.2 apg) all increased their production when Hayward was out. (+16.7 ppg, +1.8 rpg, +1.8 apg.)

Sure... They had increased production, but the problem was at the cost of decreased efficiency for the Jazz. Ingles scored more, because he HAD to. No one else would. But he and Hood looked like chuckers in that role. Crowder (or gay or whatever SF we land) plus Mitchell, a healthy Burks, a healthy Favors, and an offense run by a pure setup man in Rubio should make everyone's efficiency go up. I think an offense running through Rubio is the biggest difference more so than increases in ppg.

Friggin Westbrook could get 53 points most nights... but he would have to shoot at least 45 shots to do it. Inefficient. Kobe got 63 points in his last game in the NBA... on 62 shots if I recall. Less than a point per shot! Why Hayward was good is that he scored 25 points on 11 - 14 shots in most games. The extra 5 ppg for Hood come on an extra 4 - 6 shots going off the eyeball test. That was a big deal on a team with such a slow pace.

 

[addictionary]

It'd be hilarious if we signed and kept to come back at him.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

What about bringing back CJ Miles? He is older and still a pretty good shooter. We chose Hayward over CJ now why not bring him back to fill the role Hayward left?

[video=youtube_share;NCgVmxZK5YQ]https://youtu.be/NCgVmxZK5YQ

Bring him home

 

[stitches]

Pretty sure renouncing QO makes the player a UFA, so they no longer have any rights on him. He would have to agree to the S&T. Right?

They have his bird rights still... they just lost the ability to match an offer.

 

[Siro]

They have his bird rights still... they just lost the ability to match an offer.

I thought bird rights MEANT the ability to match a contract.

 

[NAOS]

I thought bird rights MEANT the ability to match a contract.

no. Matching offers is a facet of Restricted Free Agency.

Bird Rights gives the team the ability to pay more/more years.

EDIT: ^this^ was sloppy. Glad NUMBERICA added the over-the-cap portion that I omitted.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I thought bird rights MEANT the ability to match a contract.

Bird Rights give a team the ability to re-sign their own free agent for above the MLE even if they're above the cap (The Larry Bird Exception).

Rights to match are a property of restricted free agency (which require tendering a qualifying offer, which the Celtics rescinded).

 

[Coach Ellis]

Ndvermind. Numerica said it better than I could have.