Jussie Smollet

[Hotdog]

Racism is the disparate application of institutional power based on skin color, and support (tacit or implicit) of these institutions. Blacks who use institutional power to make life worse for black people are still being racist.

What about when wealthy and powerful black people help other wealthy and powerful black people get out of their chargers for crimes?

Such as when Jussie Smollett was helped by Michelle Obama and Kim Fox get out of his 16 felony charges? You know, the topic of this thread.

Would you classify this as black privilege, gay privilege, or black racism. It seems to fit your definitions perfectly.

 

[Stoked]

Racism is the disparate application of institutional power based on skin color, and support (tacit or implicit) of these institutions. Blacks who use institutional power to make life worse for black people are still being racist.

I’ll openly disagree here on a base premise I firmly disagree with.

racism is prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Now, social power, usually based off of economic means or ethnic origin, immensely amplifies it. Sometimes systemically in reach and frequency. But the amount of power used in each instance isn’t a threashold for what qualifies as racism. Racism is racism. Regardless of social power. All the power does is increase the damage and sometimes frequency of it.

 

[Douchebag K]

who's this Jussie bloke ? And why does it take 9 pages to work out that he's a complete tool ??

 

[One Brow]

What about when wealthy and powerful black people help other wealthy and powerful black people get out of their chargers for crimes?

What about it?

Such as when Jussie Smollett was helped by Michelle Obama and Kim Fox get out of his 16 felony charges? You know, the topic of this thread.

So?

Would you classify this as black privilege, gay privilege, or black racism. It seems to fit your definitions perfectly.

You already classified the privilege in the first paragraph. Why would you want to wrongly classify what you have already correctly classified?

 

[One Brow]

I’ll openly disagree here on a base premise I firmly disagree with.

racism is prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Because you say so? If so, what is the Stoked-approved term for the disparate application of institutional power based on skin color, and support (tacit or implicit) of these institutions? Because when you hear Cornel West, or Spike Lee, or Ta-Nehsi Coates, or me reference racism, that's the definition in use.

Now, social power, usually based off of economic means or ethnic origin, immensely amplifies it. Sometimes systemically in reach and frequency. But the amount of power used in each instance isn’t a threashold for what qualifies as racism. Racism is racism. Regardless of social power. All the power does is increase the damage and sometimes frequency of it.

So, what's your approved term for the disparate application of institutional power based on skin color, and support (tacit or implicit) of these institutions?

 

[Hotdog]

What about it?



So?



You already classified the privilege in the first paragraph. Why would you want to wrongly classify what you have already correctly classified?

So you arent for fairness? You are in favor of Classism and justice only for the privileged?

My bad. I thought you stood for something else. But it does make sense if I think about it more.

I disagree with your stance. I think its wrong.

 

[Hotdog]

Because you say so? If so, what is the Stoked-approved term for the disparate application of institutional power based on skin color, and support (tacit or implicit) of these institutions? Because when you hear Cornel West, or Spike Lee, or Ta-Nehsi Coates, or me reference racism, that's the definition in use.



So, what's your approved term for the disparate application of institutional power based on skin color, and support (tacit or implicit) of these institutions?

Would you apply you definition of racism to other countries that are not predominantly white? Like China?

Because, I swear I have heard that only white people can be racist.

 

[Stoked]

Because you say so? If so, what is the Stoked-approved term for the disparate application of institutional power based on skin color, and support (tacit or implicit) of these institutions? Because when you hear Cornel West, or Spike Lee, or Ta-Nehsi Coates, or me reference racism, that's the definition in use.



So, what's your approved term for the disparate application of institutional power based on skin color, and support (tacit or implicit) of these institutions?

Because the literal definition of the word says so. You, and others, can try to change the definition of a word all you want. Doesn’t mean it’s the way it is.

You’re the one trying to limit the word not me. Racism is racism.

Here is how I see it if this will help.

Racism = fire ok.

Let’s say you have a small fire. A camp fire or some other similar BS. And someone gets their hand burned. It happened and there was a victim.
That’s racism and a white victim.

Now you have a some dude blow torching weeds. But his power turns it into a 85,000 acre wildfire. (True story, Utah 2017). This is racism + power.

The fire was fire in either case. Just as racism is racism. Now the damage and victims are massively increased.

That’s how power affects racism. But it doesn’t make it.

 

[Hotdog]

Because the literal definition of the word says so. You, and others, can try to change the definition of a word all you want. Doesn’t mean it’s the way it is.

You’re the one trying to limit the word not me. Racism is racism.

Here is how I see it if this will help.

Racism = fire ok.

Let’s say you have a small fire. A camp fire or some other similar BS. And someone gets their hand burned. It happened and there was a victim.
That’s racism and a white victim.

Now you have a some rich white dude blow torching weeds and 85,000 acres burn. (True story, Utah 2017). This is racism + power.

The fire was fire in either case. Just as racism is racism. Now the damage and victims are massively increased.

That’s how power affects racism. But it doesn’t make it.

Stoked says

Racism = Fire

 

[Stoked]

Stoked says

Racism = Fire

Oh stfu you ****

 

[Hotdog]

Im pretty amazed that no one is really even talking about the real story here. How did this thread get derailed when the story is still hot. Hardly any comments on it.

Its actually a historic day. All news outlets are reporting the same thing about Jussie Smollett. They all agree for once. Im shocked that CNN is somewhat reporting this accurately. Although Brian Stelter had a pretty stupid take on it.

 

[Hotdog]

Oh stfu you ****

Whatever you think is cool bro. I dont judge.

 

[Stoked]

Whatever you think is cool bro. I dont judge.

Liar. Straight up. Lair.

 

[moevillini]

Im pretty amazed that no one is really even talking about the real story here. How did this thread get derailed when the story is still hot. Hardly any comments on it.

Its actually a historic day. All news outlets are reporting the same thing about Jussie Smollett. They all agree for once. Im shocked that CNN is somewhat reporting this accurately. Although Brian Stelter had a pretty stupid take on it.

wait, what's the "real story" - - I'm stuck in the muck and mire of it here in Chicago, I'd love to know what news outlet outside of the Chicago area have to say!

 

[Red]

The explanation that prosecuter Kim Foxx provides in this interview makes sense, IMHO....

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/27/7072...-chicago-prosecutor-defends-smollett-decision

"You know, I think that there is a lot of confusion. For people who do this work every day, who recognize what the charges are — this is a Class 4 felony — we recognize that the likelihood that someone would get a prison sentence for a Class 4 felony is slim....

....If you took the celebrity out of this and looked at Class 4 felonies, or if you were able to isolate out what happens with other disorderly conduct cases when the defendant is not a celebrity, and to see if this is out of line, and I think that gives greater clarity."

 

[One Brow]

So you arent for fairness? You are in favor of Classism and justice only for the privileged?

I would prefer class privilege not exist, but since you used it as a response to racism (otherwise why would you specify "wealthy and powerful black people" as opposed to "wealthy and powerful people"?), I didn't, and don't, see where the existence of class privilege removes the existence of racism.

 

[One Brow]

Would you apply you definition of racism to other countries that are not predominantly white? Like China?

Racism in China applies to the minorities in Chinese society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_China

Because, I swear I have heard that only white people can be racist.

Black people can absolutely be racist (real life example: Jesse Lee Peterson; fictional example: Uncle Ruckus). Anyone can be the victims of racial prejudice/bigotry, but only non-white people can be victims of racism in the US.

 

[One Brow]

Because the literal definition of the word says so. You, and others, can try to change the definition of a word all you want. Doesn’t mean it’s the way it is.

The definition I was stating has been standard in these discussions for decades. It is the second definition at Merriam-Webster:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
2a: a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b: a political or social system founded on racism

Racism = fire ok.

The problem is, much like wildfires, racially distinct outcomes occur when there is no one trying to set a metaphorical fire. So, we still need a term for racially differentiated treatment from institutional policy that occurs without racially discriminatory intentions, the lexicographical equivalent of 'wildfire' in your metaphor.

 

[Hotdog]

wait, what's the "real story" - - I'm stuck in the muck and mire of it here in Chicago, I'd love to know what news outlet outside of the Chicago area have to say!

The real story was referring to the Jussie news. This thread got derailed.

 

[Gameface]

Looks like Trump is once again pretty worried about what a black person is up to. He's using the power of the Presidency to direct the FBI and DOJ to look into the Smollet matter. Can't be letting "those people" make a mockery of our justice system.