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The last few years for the Jazz have been an interesting study in player value. When you're not winning there's only so much value that can go around. Paul and Al had very little value because they were expiring, we had younger players hiding behind them, and we were losing. Now (or in Al's case last year) people love them.

I think the front office has learned the hard lesson of what happens when you don't commit to your potentially valuable players. This move had to happen whether Kanter went to the press or not. Gobert needs to start if the league is going to start seeing him as a star.

We still have four players with real value on this team. Enes gone can only help them increase their value with more usage. Four's a lot for a losing team. Beyond that we have cap space and all our picks as well as a couple from other teams.

Now if only we could start winning...

Why should the front office insist on continuing learning hard lessons instead of being forward looking for a change? I can give you a hint, it involves car sales.
 
Jazz are tanking. The only other team that made a deal similar to Utah today was Philadelphia.

I'm not surprised at all that Utah made a move that wasn't win-now.:cool: However, Rudy starting and getting more minutes will kill the tank. I'm happy for Rudy, but our chances of drafting the next piece to the puzzle just went down, IMO.
 
Didn't realize that OKC gave up the rights to Tibor Pleiss?

You scored a gem if you can bring him over this year.

Really? He's a 25 year old putting up numbers in Europe that would be underwhelming for someone coming off an NBA bench.
 
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Lindsey says Hayward's jump in progression has been more than team expected, perhaps makes losing Kanter's offense easier to swallow.

"Not every young player is always going to stick around. There will be choices that have to be made." Dennis Lindsey

"We don't want to be in a perpetual rebuild, & the Millers have fully authorized us to go up to the luxury tax." Dennis Lindsey

Dennis Lindsey: "There are Free Agents in this upcoming class who we like, and moving Steve's contract will allow us to be very active."

"The haul we got was a significant haul for somebody in the last year of his contract, and that's a credit to Enes' abilities." Lindsey

"Rudy's ability to cover the rim for us...factored in to some of our decisions...going forward." Dennis Lindsey

The $$ freed up by today's Kanter/Novak trade will allow Jazz to go after some "free agents we like in this market," per Dennis Lindsey

Oh man, sounds like the same BS spin we would always get from KOC. O'Connor wasn't flown it to help make any deals, it was to prep Lindsey on how to make an awful move sound not-so-bad.
 
DL is really good... I'm glad he is our guy. Some would have sat on Kanter and prolonged this garbage thinking we could "restore" some value. Kanter wasn't a great pick... it happens. The guy who was picked before him was traded for nothing. We got out from under a semi-bad deal and got some assets. those who thought we were getting Middleton were as delusional as Max Ergul.

I'm sorry, but Kanter is not some bust. If teams are willing to throw big money/assets at guys like Carlos Boozer/Al Jefferson, then they'd be willing to throw some at Kanter. Kanter may suck very badly at a few things, but he has some serious talent at a few things (and we all know what those things are) that make him an extremely valuable piece if put in the right situation.
 
Really? He's a 25 year old putting up numbers in Europe that would be underwhelming for someone coming off an NBA bench.

I swear, none of you watch euro-ball.


Ricky Rubio, in his last year at Barça before being traded: 6.5 PPG, 3.5 APG. 31% from field, 22% from three (in 20 games, 17 of which he started in the Euroleague).

Mario Hezonja, potential top 5 draft pick this year, in the Euroleague this year: 5.5 PPG, 2 RPG, 1.4 APG. In the ACB, he's averaging 9PPG but the same numbers otherwise.
 
I'm sorry, but Kanter is not some bust. If teams are willing to throw big money/assets at guys like Carlos Boozer/Al Jefferson, then they'd be willing to throw some at Kanter. Kanter may suck very badly at a few things, but he has some serious talent at a few things (and we all know what those things are) that make him an extremely valuable piece if put in the right situation.

he isn't a bust-- but right now, we have two talented bigs on this roster that will command some serious cap money. We are better off allocating our finite amount of money towards positions where we DON'T have talent. Will Burks pan out? What if he's just a 6th man-- we need to use this money on a starting calibre SG, instead of dropping 12 mill on Kanter.
 
This is a terrible trade for us. We recieved no player since were going to cut Perk. Also we made the team who's pick were recieving much better, and they are all ready of of the best teams in the league. So for a 22yr old 15,8 player who was drafted #3 we get a 25-30 pick in two years?

Heres the judging factor; are we better or worse after this trade? We are worse. All the experts are saying OKC made out the best BECAUSE of Kanter! How would it be any different if we held Kanter for a sign and trade at the end of the year?

This is the worst trade I have witnessed for our team I have seen in my 12yrs as a Jazz fan. I HATE THIS TRADE!

I don't really like the assets we got, but there's ZERO guarantee Kanter resigns with OKC. Most likely he'll just sign the QO and become an UFA in 2016. Does OKC want to pay him a max contract? The pick is in 2018, i believe so by then, who knows how good/bad OKC will be. Durant has hinted at leaving and at the all-star game sounded like a total dick when he told the media they didn't know anything. OKC could very well be a lottery team in 4 years.

Kanter, as a RFA with an attitude problem and overinflated ego was not going to fetch much. Lindsey got we he could. And as he mentioned, he also did it to free up cap space and give Gobert playing time. Didn't the Jazz trade Dantley so Malone could be the Alpha Dog? Kanter was the old Alpha 5 who got turned into Gobert's bitch. Rudy IS the future. Kanter is the new Big Al. I have no doubt he can put up empty 20/10 numbers for a crappy team. OKC is going to hate his leaky defense.
 
Oh man, sounds like the same BS spin we would always get from KOC. O'Connor wasn't flown it to help make any deals, it was to prep Lindsey on how to make an awful move sound not-so-bad.

Man stop being such a negative ***. It's not far fetched that a quality free agent would like to come to Utah. We have a solid plan for the future, a good coach, and a now tighter roster in terms of working together to become a very competitive team. I believe that DL will be active during this off season. What were you expecting him to say anyway? 'Yes guys I screwed up, now what do I do'
 
I'm not surprised at all that Utah made a move that wasn't win-now.:cool: However, Rudy starting and getting more minutes will kill the tank. I'm happy for Rudy, but our chances of drafting the next piece to the puzzle just went down, IMO.

Not so sure about that.. we are pretty thin up front now. Booker will have to step up.
 
And we got out from under the deal before it hurt us. I hated the Novak trade at the time, but DL has erased that mistake.

I don't think it was a mistake. People just assumed we traded for Novak as a player, instead of as a means to acquire assets. I never believed he would play, and I said so at the time. I also predicted he would be moved for another 2nd at the deadline. I think DL took on Novak with the idea of flipping him for another 2nd at the deadline.
 
I'm sorry, but Kanter is not some bust. If teams are willing to throw big money/assets at guys like Carlos Boozer/Al Jefferson, then they'd be willing to throw some at Kanter. Kanter may suck very badly at a few things, but he has some serious talent at a few things (and we all know what those things are) that make him an extremely valuable piece if put in the right situation.
If you recall, Boozer WAS shopped. The Jazz allowed him to violate the tampering rules by going on a summer tour of various trade destinations. And what offers did Utah receive for him? Zero. The only one that was rumored would have brought us back a bad contract. Teams were just willing to wait on Carlos rather than trade decent assets to get him. Kanter is no Carlos. Except for the fact he's stayed healthy, Enes is not the player Carlos was. Boozer was in his prime, putting up big numbers and still the market was non-existent.
 
he isn't a bust-- but right now, we have two talented bigs on this roster that will command some serious cap money. We are better off allocating our finite amount of money towards positions where we DON'T have talent. Will Burks pan out? What if he's just a 6th man-- we need to use this money on a starting calibre SG, instead of dropping 12 mill on Kanter.

So you don't think Kanter at $12 million would have got us more in trade than a protected 1st rounder from OKC? It seems to me that it is easier to trade talent you don't need for talent you do, than it is to fill that need through the draft. The only thing that makes sense is that DL has his eye on a particular free agent next summer.
 
I don't think it was a mistake. People just assumed we traded for Novak as a player, instead of as a means to acquire assets. I never believed he would play, and I said so at the time. I also predicted he would be moved for another 2nd at the deadline. I think DL took on Novak with the idea of flipping him for another 2nd at the deadline.

I would love this to be true, it would show that he really has a specific vision for how he wants things to roll out. Some guys here making it sound like he's some kind of stupid just boggles me, his background speaks for himself.
 
Man stop being such a negative ***. It's not far fetched that a quality free agent would like to come to Utah. We have a solid plan for the future, a good coach, and a now tighter roster in terms of working together to become a very competitive team. I believe that DL will be active during this off season. What were you expecting him to say anyway? 'Yes guys I screwed up, now what do I do'

Hah, no, not really, but I would like to maybe be honest about how the trade wasn't great, but that maybe it was the only option out there.

And just because it was an awful trade doesn't mean it was a bad decision. Calling it an awful trade isn't necessarily being negative, it's just reacting to an obvious fact. I think Kanter's value plummeted after publicly demanding a trade and his agent's comments. Obviously if they could have gotten a better deal they would have done it. The only choice was get something back or let him go in free agency.
 
Not so sure about that.. we are pretty thin up front now. Booker will have to step up.

It's possible we will miss Kanter's offense, but more minutes for Rudy = winning more. Even missing Enes, I just don't see how Utah doesn't win more with more Rudy.
 
So you don't think Kanter at $12 million would have got us more in trade than a protected 1st rounder from OKC? It seems to me that it is easier to trade talent you don't need for talent you do, than it is to fill that need through the draft. The only thing that makes sense is that DL has his eye on a particular free agent next summer.

This trade hinges on what we can get from Tibor Pleiß. If he ends up being a solid big for us, then 100% yes. 7'2" Germans with shooting touch go pretty high in drafts generally, unless they have buyout concerns. Tibor had buyout concerns in 2010-- that's why he went with the 1st pick of the 2nd round, from what I can tell.
 
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