Picking at 3 in this draft kind of defeats BPA. Who's to really say Kanter is better than Knight, or vice versa and so on. If two players are close in talent/ability then you pick the one that fits your team/need.
Kanter v. Valanciunas
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Picking at 3 in this draft kind of defeats BPA. Who's to really say Kanter is better than Knight, or vice versa and so on. If two players are close in talent/ability then you pick the one that fits your team/need.
Some new game footage of Enes Kanter is circulating from his prep school days. I'm watching one game now. It's fairly underwhelming stuff.
I don't know if he's just tired here or what but he looks really lethargic playing vs very weak competition. Getting destroyed on defense.
From DX Twitter feeed
Boozer 2.0?
I don't know if he's just tired here or what but he looks really lethargic playing vs very weak competition. Getting destroyed on defense.
From DX Twitter feeed
Boozer 2.0?
margodydek
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KOC's strategy that he has stated many times
1. BPA
2. If two players are really close, then go for size
3. Last thing to be considered is fitting a team need
Do I believe that he always adheres to this? Not really, but he has stated that this is how he goes about his biz.
Does size mean overall size, or size at position? Knight is a big PG, so that would be improving size.
If you go overall size you pick Jonas V.
Do not ignore this Kanter lovers. If we are going to praise his videos of him playing scrimmages with the Kentucky team, then this has to be valued.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Do you have a link to the video you're talking about?
No, I told you this is coming from the Draft Express guy. I'm sure the video will get leaked sometime though.
margodydek
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From his context it sounded like overall size.
margodydek
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But for some reason you can ignore every video of Valanciunas? Just kidding, I'm sure he's got some redeeming qualities, but I guess I'm just unable to see them.
I think the Jazz should build their team concept around beating the sh** out of other teams inside (like the Lakers did). Kanter + Favors + Jefferson can bring the pain all game long. Throw in some Fess to add insult to injury. Kanter is a big, aggressive dude that will wear a team out. Size and depth in the front court could be a considerable advantage.
Then have players like Hayward, Jimmer or Hamilton hit open shots, and we're good.
Then have players like Hayward, Jimmer or Hamilton hit open shots, and we're good.
Unless JV has Millsapian ability to grow (from a skills standpoint), then it's clear to me that Kanter will always be a ****-load better as an actual player (and not just a body with a motor).
If we're ogling bodies and motor, I'd rather have Biyombo than JV. I have to really try to see what the love is for JV and Biyombo is an out-and-out force everywhere and every time he plays.
If we're ogling bodies and motor, I'd rather have Biyombo than JV. I have to really try to see what the love is for JV and Biyombo is an out-and-out force everywhere and every time he plays.
Biyombo is more raw. He is obviously a better shot blocker, and a more powerful finisher. JV is a better rebounder, more polished on both sides of the ball, and a pretty good FT shooter (which would suggest he has the ability to develop a decent midrange game in the future).
Zerol
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I too think that Kanter is the better player, but my problem with him is that he could have improved his stock and aimed at the No.1 overall pick by taking part in the Nike Hoops Summit. If he is really that confident about his skills, he would have dominated the game again, and he would prove to all people who have doubts that he can still play even after such a looooong layoff. Yet he (or his agent) thinks he should play safe and keep the status of the top 5 pick, which makes me think he has things to hide.
Hantlers
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He has more to lose by playing. We also don't know if it's his decision. Obviously we as fans hate that he's not really working out much, but from a business stand-point it is a solid decision. I wouldn't take much from him not working out to be honest.
mellow
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New Lakers coach Mike Brown interviewed for the job by showing tapes of Tim Duncan & David Robinson "The Twin Towers". He plans to implement a similar style for Bynum and Gasol. (does that make Kobe= Sean Elliot?) Jazz had better plan for it. But if you're going to match up against them doesn't Jonas V. and his 7'-6" wingspan makes more sense than Kantersaurus Rex?
Still go with Kanter slightly, but JV's contract situation is apparenlty on the cusp of being resolved. Should be able to come over next year.
https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors
Brown Notes
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Greetings, Gents.
I voted JV. IMO Kanter's best position is PF and will be redundant with the current group, which I want to be kept intact for the most part. I like the idea of bringing him along at a somewhat measured pace as the team focuses on Favors' development. By the time Sap and Big Al's contracts are up we should have a very good idea of how good Fav and JV are going to be. Waiting for him a year while he gets starter minutes in the EL would actually be a bonus in a lockout year, and he won't get great minutes in Utah next year regardless.
Ideal situation would be trading down with WAS and taking him at 6, but I don't know how realistic it is to expect CLE to pass on him at 4.
Cheers.
I voted JV. IMO Kanter's best position is PF and will be redundant with the current group, which I want to be kept intact for the most part. I like the idea of bringing him along at a somewhat measured pace as the team focuses on Favors' development. By the time Sap and Big Al's contracts are up we should have a very good idea of how good Fav and JV are going to be. Waiting for him a year while he gets starter minutes in the EL would actually be a bonus in a lockout year, and he won't get great minutes in Utah next year regardless.
Ideal situation would be trading down with WAS and taking him at 6, but I don't know how realistic it is to expect CLE to pass on him at 4.
Cheers.
Zerol
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By dominating the NHS again, he would have been the consensus number 1 pick, considering how much attention the first one brought him (that ONE game got half of this board pulling for him, for example). Now he is anywhere from 3 to 6. If the agent is 100% confident about his abilities and how good he will play in an organized game, that's quite significant amount of money he's giving up.
trigg3r
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What if he has a terrible game? Then he could fall. It's risk versus reward. There was very little reward in him playing again. Maybe it makes him the consensus number 1 pick. There was a lot of risk. This decision was a wise one by his agent.
Zerol
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The actual link to the piece is actually Hoopsworld. Here is the link: https://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?STORY_ID=20036#ixzz1OXBvKDhp
Since it is a free site I think I can post this (right?):