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Kanter v. Valanciunas

Who will you rather pick with the #3 pick?

  • Kanter

    Votes: 35 83.3%

  • Valanciunas

    Votes: 7 16.7%
  • Total voters
    42
And it seems like I read that if there's a lockout Rytas will let JV continue to play in Europe until it's resolved. At which time he'd be allowed to join his NBA team. At least that's what I remember. Sorry not to provide a link. I don't feel like it.
 
trigg3r said:
What if he has a terrible game? Then he could fall. It's risk versus reward. There was very little reward in him playing again. Maybe it makes him the consensus number 1 pick. There was a lot of risk. This decision was a wise one by his agent.
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Hence the doubt of his abilities. Look I am not trying to argue if he should play in the NHS or not, but I am amazed how people here are so sure that he is going to be the real deal when he has not played a game in 1.5 years and chose not to play in one when he had a chance. If it is that risky for him to play in an exhibition game, it is so much more risky for the Jazz to spend a 3rd pick on him.
 
Zerol said:
Hence the doubt of his abilities. Look I am not trying to argue if he should play in the NHS or not, but I am amazed how people here are so sure that he is going to be the real deal when he has not played a game in 1.5 years and chose not to play in one when he had a chance. If it is that risky for him to play in an exhibition game, it is so much more risky for the Jazz to spend a 3rd pick on him.
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It is going to be risky no matter who we pick at 3. JMO. He didn't play the NHS because his agent told him not to. No more or less.
 
If neither JV or Favors develop much more offensively we would be sort of screwed despite great D. Close but I'll go with Kanter.
 
I like both players but I have to wonder who is more injury prone?

JV is a big skinny dude and from Europe. The Jazz have had trouble with skinny players and European players staying injury free.

Kanter had worries about his knees. They checked out fine at the Draft combine but that still doesn't settle the matter. Big guys like him tend to have knee trouble or feet or both.

Seems to me that Knight is probably the safest pick for Jazz. That would mean they might as well trade down to 4 and pick up another asset to get him, depending on who wants Kanter and how the draft plays out, 1-2.
 
Guitaro said:
I like both players but I have to wonder who is more injury prone?

JV is a big skinny dude and from Europe. The Jazz have had trouble with skinny players and European players staying injury free.

Kanter had worries about his knees. They checked out fine at the Draft combine but that still doesn't settle the matter. Big guys like him tend to have knee trouble or feet or both.

Seems to me that Knight is probably the safest pick for Jazz. That would mean they might as well trade down to 4 and pick up another asset to get him, depending on who wants Kanter and how the draft plays out, 1-2.
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You don't ever win anything playing it safe though. The Jazz have to aim for superstar potential now that Deron is gone.
 
I really don't know why so many people think Kanter is the clearcut BPA at #3. Knight improved significantly throughout the NCAA season and I don't see why he won't do the same as he progresses in the NBA.
 
Hmmmmmmmmmm

Once the buyout hurdle has been cleared, Valanciunas is rumored to be Cleveland's preference at this pick, although it will reportedly give strong consideration to Bismack Biyombo and, to a lesser extent, Enes Kanter. Yahoo! Sports


Looks like Cleveland is not on the Kanter bandwagon as many on this board are. Don't be surprised to see Valanciunas go at pick 4 to Cleveland, instead of Kanter. Knight is probably the safe pick for the Jazz, but do we gamble to find the defensive center or not? Personally I like Favors at center, if we pick Kanter play him at power forward.
 
Zerol said:
I really don't know why so many people think Kanter is the clearcut BPA at #3. Knight improved significantly throughout the NCAA season and I don't see why he won't do the same as he progresses in the NBA.
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And JV did much the same in the EL. Not saying Kanter sucks but all he's improved is his workout video.
 
Fran Fraschilla wrote an insider article on Valanciunas' potential

The NBA potential of Jonas Valanciunas
June, 8, 2011
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By Fran Fraschilla

This is an NBA draft that is devoid of big men, so Lithuania's 7-foot, 245-pound 19-year-old, Jonas Valanciunas, has a lot of interest from teams in the lottery. At his age, there is no doubting his intriguing potential, but expecting him to help a team right away is unrealistic.

More critically for teams in position to select him is projecting where Valanciunas' game will be five years from now. It is not inconceivable to some NBA personnel that he could be the best player in this draft by then -- of course the risk is that the NBA executive that drafts him could be fired by then.
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I don't have insider so I couldn't read the rest.
 
Here are the 2009 U18 Euro Championship averages for Kanter and Jonas. Interestingly enough Jonas outscored Kanter.

Kanter / Jonas

MPG: 28.4 / 27.6
PPG: 18.6 / 19.3
FG% 54.3 / 71.9
RPG: 16.4 / 10.6
BPG: 1.8 / 2.6


Bold = led tournament
 
Here are the boxscores from said u18 tournament.

https://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/e...an_Championship_Men_DIVISION_A/statistic.html
22 points, 22 rebounds.

https://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/e...an_Championship_Men_DIVISION_A/statistic.html
16 rebounds.

https://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/e...an_Championship_Men_DIVISION_A/statistic.html
19 points, 22 rebounds.

https://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/e...an_Championship_Men_DIVISION_A/statistic.html
13 rebounds.

https://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/e...an_Championship_Men_DIVISION_A/statistic.html
22 points, 12 rebounds. Side note, Valanciunas 20 points.

https://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/e...an_Championship_Men_DIVISION_A/statistic.html
21 points, 18 rebounds.

https://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/e...an_Championship_Men_DIVISION_A/statistic.html
32 points, 25 rebounds.

https://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/e...an_Championship_Men_DIVISION_A/statistic.html
35 points, 19 rebounds. Side note Valanciunas 15 points.
 
Thanks guys. I think this info is valuable.
Also, this is Koufos' numbers from when he was in the 2007 U18 Euro campionship:

COMPARISON
K. Koufos (GRE)
PPG.......26,5
RPG.......13
ORPG.......3,2
DRPG.......9,8
ASPG.......0,4
FG2P%...57,8%
FG3P%.....9,1%
FT%.......59%


Initially I scoffed when some compared Kanter's numbers to Koufos. But here they are. Very comparable at this level of competition - and look how Koufos has dominated the NBA. I'm getting more uncomfortable with Kanter. But does Valanciunas make me feel any more secure?
 
BENTLEY said:
Thanks guys. I think this info is valuable.
Also, this is Koufos' numbers from when he was in the 2007 U18 Euro campionship:

COMPARISON
K. Koufos (GRE)
PPG.......26,5
RPG.......13
ORPG.......3,2
DRPG.......9,8
ASPG.......0,4
FG2P%...57,8%
FG3P%.....9,1%
FT%.......59%


Initially I scoffed when some compared Kanter's numbers to Koufos. But here they are. Very comparable at this level of competition - and look how Koufos has dominated the NBA. I'm getting more uncomfortable with Kanter. But does Valanciunas make me feel any more secure?
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Both Koufus and Kanter have/had enough talent to be very good players. What Kanter has going for him is that he is really fluid and he appears to be a very hard worker. The latter is one of the most important things for a professional athlete. You can't teach it and Koufus didn't have it.
 
Headtrip said:
Both Koufus and Kanter have/had enough talent to be very good players. What Kanter has going for him is that he is really fluid and he appears to be a very hard worker. The latter is one of the most important things for a professional athlete. You can't teach it and Koufus didn't have it.
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I think it shows more that they where both physically very mature for 17 year olds, thus they dominated a bunch of lanky Euros.
 
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