Kendall Marshall - Our next PG Hope

[Dr. Jones]

Just a brand new name for me. They say he can really score, is super quick and can see the floor. How is his passing and D?

His passing looks good to me. You'll have to ask Verlin about his D.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I like him just because of Jeremy Lin.

I laughed.

 

[Weezur]

I think most here are high on him. About the only knock is that he's played inferior competition making him less of a known quantity.

I'm not. I'm convinced that scoring PG's are the death of a Jazz offense.

On a sidenote: I like this thread.
First everyone was all Rivers, now people are warming up to Marshall, and Lilliard is getting in on this too.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

And you DON'T want to draft Rivers?

Not as a pg.

 

[orangello]

Mark Jackson had the same limitations and he is #2 in assists and had a long successful career. Not a valid argument. If you want Rivers that means we have to keep Al so the offense doesn't drop off. The defense can only sustain a team for so long eventually you need to score.

So you came up with one player in the history of the league to prove your point. I would have to say that your point is not valid.

Also, please explain your connection with drafting Rivers meaning that Al has to stay because of a dropoff on offense? It doesn't make any sense to me. Instead of tearing your point to pieces I think I would prefer to understand your stance more before I let you know that your point doesn't make any sense.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

So you came up with one player in the history of the league to proven your point. I would have to say that your point is not valid.

Also, please explain your connection with drafting Rivers meaning that Al has to say because of a dropbiff in offense? It doesn't make any sense to me. Instead of tearing your point to pieces I think I would prefer to understand your stance more before I let you know that your point doesn't make any sense.

Andre Miller?

 

[orangello]

Andre Miller?

And he has done what in the league? He helped Philly and Portland get to the playoffs. I believe that they were both ousted in the first round. If that is what Marshall will help the Jazz do, then I say no way. Take a chance on something different.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And he has done what in the league? He helped Philly and Portland get to the playoffs. I believe that they were both ousted in the first round. If that is what Marshall will help the Jazz do, then I say no way. Take a chance on something different.

Bad luck?

 

[Hantlers]

I'm not. I'm convinced that scoring PG's are the death of a Jazz offense.

On a sidenote: I like this thread.
First everyone was all Rivers, now people are warming up to Marshall, and Lilliard is getting in on this too.

Technically Deron Williams was a scoring PG, he seemed to do alright here. Besides, how can you say that they're the death of our offense? Since John Stockton (the greatest PG of all time) we've had Arroyo (mediocre), McLeod (meh), Williams (awesome) and Devin Harris (old and at best, average). I'm probably missing a PG or two, but still, you can't say the scoring PG has been the death of our offense when we just haven't had any GOOD PG's since DWill. Ridiculous statement with no supporting facts around it.

So you came up with one player in the history of the league to prove your point. I would have to say that your point is not valid.

Also, please explain your connection with drafting Rivers meaning that Al has to stay because of a dropoff on offense? It doesn't make any sense to me. Instead of tearing your point to pieces I think I would prefer to understand your stance more before I let you know that your point doesn't make any sense.

I as well would like to hear more on this, because it literally makes zero sense to me. I mean, I can make up stupid stuff too if you want me to. If we draft Kendall Marshall we have to keep CJ Miles because he's one of the best slashers on our team. Totally obvious.

 

[Weezur]

Technically Deron Williams was a scoring PG, he seemed to do alright here. Besides, how can you say that they're the death of our offense? Since John Stockton (the greatest PG of all time) we've had Arroyo (mediocre), McLeod (meh), Williams (awesome) and Devin Harris (old and at best, average). I'm probably missing a PG or two, but still, you can't say the scoring PG has been the death of our offense when we just haven't had any GOOD PG's since DWill. Ridiculous statement with no supporting facts around it.

Harris is a scoring PG, he averaged 15 and 7 just last season. He's 27, not old and he can still outrun a lot of PG's. He just can't run an offense...he's trying to but it's not his style...and it shows.

Deron can be argued to be a scoring PG or a passing PG but that's a seperate debate altogether. I saw Deron as a pure PG that could score in bunches if he had to. Like CP3.

Anyways, my quote was more of a prediction and opinion. It sounds like I worded it crappily though....

Here: "I'm not. I think that scoring PG's are the death of a Jazz offense."

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

How can you average over 10 apg you can't be considered a scoring PG, you are considered an all-around PG.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

So you came up with one player in the history of the league to prove your point. I would have to say that your point is not valid.

Also, please explain your connection with drafting Rivers meaning that Al has to stay because of a dropoff on offense? It doesn't make any sense to me. Instead of tearing your point to pieces I think I would prefer to understand your stance more before I let you know that your point doesn't make any sense.

Oh my good god, I clearly explained it in that post. If Rivers is running our offense he will dribble around for 15 seconds in at least half our possessions and do one of 3 things....

1. Shoot the ball himself

2. Pass it to someone else to shoot a desperation shot.

3. Throw it into the post, and hope the big can save his ***. Which is what we are doing now.

Rivers is not a pg just like Westbrook is not a pg. Westbrook has two things going for him that Rivers doesn't.

1. Westbrook is one of the most athletic pg's ever.

2. He plays with the one of the 2 best players in the NBA who scores everything from anywhere on the court, and the Jazz don't have anyone remotely like Durant to bail out Rivers.

Again Favors doesn't have any go to moves in the post Millsap is undersized and struggles in the post at times, and more times then not resorts to shooting fadeaways. Al on the other hand is one of the most dangerous post players in the league. Al's last shot is a great example. If it had been Millsap in that position if he is unable to drive, he ends up taking some wild fadeaway and probably misses. The shot Al took even with Love guarding him, he had no problem taking his natural looking shot, and it sure as hell looked like his routine jump shot, and hardly seemed bothered at all taking that shot.

With Rivers running the point expect a lot of post up, and Al is by far the teams best post player.

With Marshall running the point expect much less post up and more movement on offense which suits Favors and Millsap more, which isn't Jeffersons game.

I want the bigs to be slashers not just post players.

Happy!

 

[Hantlers]

Oh my good god, I clearly explained it in that post. If Rivers is running our offense he will dribble around for 15 seconds in at least half our possessions and do one of 3 things....

1. Shoot the ball himself

2. Pass it to someone else to shoot a desperation shot.

3. Throw it into the post, and hope the big can save his ***. Which is what we are doing now.

Rivers is not a pg just like Westbrook is not a pg. Westbrook has two things going for him that Rivers doesn't.

1. Westbrook is one of the most athletic pg's ever.

2. He plays with the one of the 2 best players in the NBA who scores everything from anywhere on the court, and the Jazz don't have anyone remotely like Durant to bail out Rivers.

Again Favors doesn't have any go to moves in the post Millsap is undersized and struggles in the post at times, and more times then not resorts to shooting fadeaways. Al on the other hand is one of the most dangerous post players in the league. Al's last shot is a great example. If it had been Millsap in that position if he is unable to drive, he ends up taking some wild fadeaway and probably misses. The shot Al took even with Love guarding him, he had no problem taking his natural looking shot, and it sure as hell looked like his routine jump shot, and hardly seemed bothered at all taking that shot.

With Rivers running the point expect a lot of post up, and Al is by far the teams best post player.

With Marshall running the point expect much less post up and more movement on offense which suits Favors and Millsap more, which isn't Jeffersons game.

I want the bigs to be slashers not just post players.

Happy!

Have you watched Rivers play? He almost never does this....

Also I would kill to have a player like Westbrook on our team. Players like him are the future of the NBA right there.

 

[Hantlers]

How can you average over 10 apg you can't be considered a scoring PG, you are considered an all-around PG.

I was talking in extremes obviously, but saying that scoring PG's are the death of a Jazz offense was a ridiculously stupid comment. There is just absolutely zero proof to back that up. Zero.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Have you watched Rivers play? He almost never does this....

Also I would kill to have a player like Westbrook on our team. Players like him are the future of the NBA right there.

I didn't compare him to Westbrook. I pointed out that like Westbrook Rivers is not really a pg, but that it works for Westbrook and not Rivers for those 2 reasons that I mentioned above. Westbrook is by far the superior player.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Have you watched Rivers play? He almost never does this....

Also I would kill to have a player like Westbrook on our team. Players like him are the future of the NBA right there.

The only reason the Westbrooks of the world are the future is no one wants to do it like Nash or Kid or Stockton. Give me one of those over Westbrook any day.

 

[Stoked]

The only reason the Westbrooks of the world are the future is no one wants to do it like Nash or Kid or Stockton. Give me one of those over Westbrook any day.

x 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000...

 

[orangello]

Oh my good god, I clearly explained it in that post. If Rivers is running our offense he will dribble around for 15 seconds in at least half our possessions and do one of 3 things....

1. Shoot the ball himself

2. Pass it to someone else to shoot a desperation shot.

3. Throw it into the post, and hope the big can save his ***. Which is what we are doing now.

Rivers is not a pg just like Westbrook is not a pg. Westbrook has two things going for him that Rivers doesn't.

1. Westbrook is one of the most athletic pg's ever.

2. He plays with the one of the 2 best players in the NBA who scores everything from anywhere on the court, and the Jazz don't have anyone remotely like Durant to bail out Rivers.

Again Favors doesn't have any go to moves in the post Millsap is undersized and struggles in the post at times, and more times then not resorts to shooting fadeaways. Al on the other hand is one of the most dangerous post players in the league. Al's last shot is a great example. If it had been Millsap in that position if he is unable to drive, he ends up taking some wild fadeaway and probably misses. The shot Al took even with Love guarding him, he had no problem taking his natural looking shot, and it sure as hell looked like his routine jump shot, and hardly seemed bothered at all taking that shot.

With Rivers running the point expect a lot of post up, and Al is by far the teams best post player.

With Marshall running the point expect much less post up and more movement on offense which suits Favors and Millsap more, which isn't Jeffersons game.

I want the bigs to be slashers not just post players.

Happy!

Wow, I only have one word to describe you, ignorant. Go watch a handful of Duke games and watch how rivers moves on the court, watch for what his role is on the team (what Coach K has asked him to do) and watch for any PG abilities. If you actually do that trying to find out if he can be successful in the NBA as a PG, you will get your answer. Until that point there is no reason to even attempt to explain anything to you about him and possibly the NBA in general.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Have you watched Rivers play? He almost never does this....

Also I would kill to have a player like Westbrook on our team. Players like him are the future of the NBA right there.

Your going to come on here and tell me he doesn't dominate the ball, and that he isn't a selfish player. You need to watch the games. Classic example would be the Duke UNC game where he hit the game winner. Rivers gets the ball goes straight to his sweet spot behind the three line and dribbles down the clock with a big man on him. Luckily for Rivers Zeller had a complete brain cramp and let him get off a good look for three. The correct play would've been to break down Zeller, in that instance he has three options.

1. Get a layup if the defense doesn't react quick enough.

2. He gets fouled going to the basket.

3. As the defense collapses on him he dishes out to a teammate with a wide open look.

As I'm watching live, yes I watched that game, as the play developed I'm thinking what the hell is he doing. Rivers will stagnant the offense, he is a selfish player, always has been. I'm not a huge college b-ball fan but I do start watching games this time of year and I do watch the tournament. I try to watch games that feature players that the Jazz will have a chance to draft. I'm not spewing this stuff out my *** like you obviously do. Everything I said is from the eyeball test.

 

[orangello]

Your going to come on here and tell me he doesn't dominate the ball, and that he isn't a selfish player. You need to watch the games. Classic example would be the Duke UNC game where he hit the game winner. Rivers gets the ball goes straight to his sweet spot behind the three line and dribbles down the clock with a big man on him. Luckily for Rivers Zeller had a complete brain cramp and let him get off a good look for three. The correct play would've been to break down Zeller, in that instance he has three options.

1. Get a layup if the defense doesn't react quick enough.

2. He gets fouled going to the basket.

3. As the defense collapses on him he dishes out to a teammate with a wide open look.

As I'm watching live, yes I watched that game, as the play developed I'm thinking what the hell is he doing. Rivers will stagnant the offense, he is a selfish player, always has been. I'm not a huge college b-ball fan but I do start watching games this time of year and I do watch the tournament. I try to watch games that feature players that the Jazz will have a chance to draft. I'm not spewing this stuff out my *** like you obviously do. Everything I said is from the eyeball test.

Watching one game and singling out a single play = spewing things out your butt.