Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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This weak comeback says it all!
Kendall Marshall - Our next PG Hope
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Hantlers
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I don't know why I'm responding to this, but I'm going to. I'm probably the biggest Duke fan on this board (at least that I know of). I try not to let my homering ways get in the way of evaluating prospects, and I feel like I've done a pretty good job of this. I can guarantee I've seen Rivers play more than you have. I can guarantee I know more about Rivers than you do. I can count on one hand the number of times that Rivers has dribbled around for 15+ seconds and killed ball movement.
I honestly can't believe that you're criticizing that last second shot against UNC, that's a Kobe shot, that's an MJ shot, that's the kind of shot LeBron dreams about. It defines clutch. Maybe you were thinking what the hell is he doing, but Rivers is thinking I'm gonna win this damn game...and he did. Without him, Duke is garbage this year. Not just because of his offensive abilities, but also because of his rapidly improving defense, the fact that he's smarter than almost everybody on the court, and the fact that he is a team leader. But ya know, I'm sure he's just the team leader because he scores a lot of points. Don't you get it? That team respects him...they wouldn't respect a selfish *** like you're portraying him to be.
I'm going to tell you that he "dominates" the ball because he's the only guy on that team who can create offense. I'm not going to tell you he's a selfish player, because he's averaging 11 shots a game. Sounds like a selfish chucker who dominates the ball every chance he gets to me. Do you know why I like Rivers? It's because one of the greatest college coaches of all time loves him. It's because he's a winner, he has attitude, he will literally do everything in his power to get a win and that's what our team needs. We need a leader like that. It's not just his skills (which are great) but it's his attitude. You want a winning team? You draft players with a winning attitude. You wanna say you're using the eyeball test when you've watched him play once and the rest of the time you're just looking at a stat sheet? Trust the guy who's watched him play almost every single game.
I honestly can't believe that you're criticizing that last second shot against UNC, that's a Kobe shot, that's an MJ shot, that's the kind of shot LeBron dreams about. It defines clutch. Maybe you were thinking what the hell is he doing, but Rivers is thinking I'm gonna win this damn game...and he did. Without him, Duke is garbage this year. Not just because of his offensive abilities, but also because of his rapidly improving defense, the fact that he's smarter than almost everybody on the court, and the fact that he is a team leader. But ya know, I'm sure he's just the team leader because he scores a lot of points. Don't you get it? That team respects him...they wouldn't respect a selfish *** like you're portraying him to be.
I'm going to tell you that he "dominates" the ball because he's the only guy on that team who can create offense. I'm not going to tell you he's a selfish player, because he's averaging 11 shots a game. Sounds like a selfish chucker who dominates the ball every chance he gets to me. Do you know why I like Rivers? It's because one of the greatest college coaches of all time loves him. It's because he's a winner, he has attitude, he will literally do everything in his power to get a win and that's what our team needs. We need a leader like that. It's not just his skills (which are great) but it's his attitude. You want a winning team? You draft players with a winning attitude. You wanna say you're using the eyeball test when you've watched him play once and the rest of the time you're just looking at a stat sheet? Trust the guy who's watched him play almost every single game.
Hantlers
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Obviously we all want the next Nash or Kidd or Stockton. Those guys just aren't coming around anymore, we have to adapt. Do you see anybody like Nash, Kidd, Stockton, or Rubio in the draft? I sure as hell don't.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Maybe there isn't that guy in the draft, but Marshall could be that guy.
Kendall Marshall helps UNC win more than Rivers helps Duke win.
Right now I'm on the Marshall bandwagon with Lillard and Machado as intriguing 2nd and 3rd runners, and Rivers as the 4th.
very good insight. thank you for the post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6KD7m2CBTg&feature=related
I like this analogy by The Jet.
I like this analogy by The Jet.
Weezur
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It's not a ridiculously stupid comment and I'm not the only one who thinks it.
Maybe you don't see Harris as a bad PG right now or something.
Yes, he is mediocre but it is because the Jazz are trying to make a scoring PG into a passing PG. That's NOT 'zero proof'.
Harris is 27, he average 15 and 7 just last season. No way in hell is he too old, and my reasoning for why he looks mediocre is because he's a square being fit into a circle hole. It just doesn't work.
And there's much more proof that a good passing PG is the best thing for a Jazz offense. So the inverse of my comment is ridiculously true.
orangello
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Thank you.
Hantlers
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No, he can't. I'm gonna go through this with you, maybe it will help. The only person that is comparably defensively to Marshall is Steve Nash, they both suck at it. However Nash offsets that poor defensive ability with his offense. Not just his passing offense, but his ability to shoot 50% from anywhere, his ability to drive the lane and create, his ability to score period.
Marshall is a comparable passer to all of them, and possibly as a floor leader, but that's really stretching it IMO. However all of these guys had another skill set that they were excellent at to offset their passing. Nash can drive and shoot just as well as he can pass. Rubio can get into the lane as well as anybody (which offsets his poor shooting) and is a surprisingly good defender due to his wingspan. We all know that Stockton could shoot, pass, drive, and defend excellently so I don't need to go into detail on him. Kidd was a great defender who has shown that he can also drive the ball, shoot well enough when open to keep defenders honest and use his above-average size as a PG to his benefit. Marshall literally can do none of those. He can't defend, he can't shoot, he can't drive. His only skill is passing, and it is a great skill, the best that's in this draft right now...but you can't draft a guy with only one skill. It just doesn't work anymore.
Obviously some of you agree with and me and some of you don't, it doesn't bother me because I'm not a scout. I might be wrong about Rivers, and I might be wrong about Marshall. I just watch a lot of basketball and enjoy talking about prospects, so take what I say with a grain of salt, I'm no expert and I don't even have the connections that PKM has...I just enjoy basketball. However on a side note, last year I was the only one that I remember calling out Harrison Barnes for being nothing but a jump shooter that can't create his own offense.
Hantlers
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That's debatable. Marshall clearly plays with more talent than Rivers does.
Marshall > Tyler Thornton
Reggie Bullock < Seth Curry
Harrison Barnes = Austin Rivers (hard to compare since they play completely different positions and Duke runs a 3 guard set right now)
John Henson > Ryan Kelly
Tyler Zeller > Mason Plumlee
Marshall is what makes that team go, but UNC would still win a lot of games without him. You take Austin Rivers off of Duke's roster and they literally have nobody who can create offense...nobody. I would definitely argue that Rivers is more valuable to Duke than Marshall is to UNC.
Guys..
I think Lillard might be the answer we've been looking for actually. Isn't it obvious? He can score (good for those who likes Rivers) and he can pass (good for those who likes Marshall).
Isn't that the answer? Even ESPN now has Jazz picking Lillard at #11.
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I think Lillard might be the answer we've been looking for actually. Isn't it obvious? He can score (good for those who likes Rivers) and he can pass (good for those who likes Marshall).
Isn't that the answer? Even ESPN now has Jazz picking Lillard at #11.
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Jay Bilas, the biggest Duke homer in the media, called Marshall the MVP of the nation.
The question is competition.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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There's a whole other argument about him, such as the competition he plays against. Not that we shouldn't draft him because of that, but it's something to consider.
Does anyone know if his team has a shot at making the tournament? I would love to see how he does in March madness.
orangello
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Jay Bills is an ACC homer.
Hantlers
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Jay Bilas is much more of a North Carolina homer than he is a Duke homer. He does his best to make sure that he doesn't seem like a big Duke fan since he graduated from there. Marshall is a good college player, there's no denying that. I just don't think he'll translate to the NBA. I still think a great comparison to him is Marcus Williams from UCONN.
There were also questions about MarShon Brook's level of competition last year and he slipped big time. But it seemed to have worked out well for the Nets.
I would have thoughts scouts would have looked at a lot of other things as well to determine if he can succeed in the NBA (handle, shooting, etc).
Weezur
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The question is how good would some of those guys in UNC be without Marshall? A pure PG makes everyone around him better offensively.