Kirelenko in Trade talks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[calijazz]

Don't know Melo personally but indications are that he's more inclined to go back to the New York area... don't think he's ever been interested in signing an extension with Chicago?

Jamison - my bad - haven't been following the Wizards for the past 5 years... LOL

Multiple reports have said the Knicks and Bulls are his top choices, for what it's worth. This whole discussion is moot regardless because the Bulls refuse to trade Noah, even in a deal for Carmelo. If the Bulls were, that trade would probably already be done.

 

[prodigy]

I think Ak has been well aware of his contract situation the past several years with the jazz and knowing he could be traded any second. I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

Geez, you are overrating AK. He was an All-star one year and that was five years ago. The young AK does not exist anymore except in your mind. AK got his big contract and stopped improving. Besides his ability to stay healthy is well documented and should be enough to get him traded.

Haha no, I'm just calling Diaw what he is. Weak.
I'm sick of weak defenders on this team ala Boozer.
Upgrade the defense with Jefferson and Bell, then completely downgrade by replacing AK with Diaw???

It's a weak deal, and would do nothing then show the weakness of this franchise to never go for the gold.

 

[Zerol]

Even if the trade is dead, the takeaway from this is that the Jazz FO is willing to trade AK, as opposed to the original assumption that the team will hold on to him until his contract expires.

I think better offers can come up, as teams believe that AK will be able to perform much better if he is not on the Jazz which plays a structured offense (to be honest with you, i will pick him much higher in a fantasy draft if he is traded to Denver or other teams like the Warriors or the Suns or the Knicks). Say if the Clippers still play as crappy as they did last season, they can look to trade away Kaman to save money. Or if Cousins turns out to be a stud, Dalembert can be expendable. Or if the Warriors wants to give Lee more playing time and still run the same style, they can trade us Biedrins and Radmanovic for AK. These won't save the Jazz as much money as the rumored deal would, but still everyone of these will save several million dollars and give us better chance for us to win a championship than Diaw.

 

[shadler]

I think the fact that ak is even in talks the jazz have a plan all a long to get rid of the contract. I told my friend that once you hear his name in talks he is gone. Every move the jazz have done this year has been to save money. Jazz don't feel that much money is going to put them over the top with ak. If he does get traded i hope we can sign him back next year. But i feel the chances are very high he is gone before the deadline.

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

I think the fact that ak is even in talks the jazz have a plan all a long to get rid of the contract. I told my friend that once you hear his name in talks he is gone. Every move the jazz have done this year has been to save money. Jazz don't feel that much money is going to put them over the top with ak. If he does get traded i hope we can sign him back next year. But i feel the chances are very high he is gone before the deadline.

AK's not gone for sure. I think at this point it's a foregone conclusion that this current deal is not happening. Utah is starting the season with AK.

With AK in a contract year, I doubt he misses any games to nagging injuries. If this team comes together earl and AK is a major factor in that, it's wouldn't be a stretch to see Utah hovering around the 2 seed when the trade deadline comes about.

If that's the case, Utah is going to be hard pressed to move him because of how horrible it will look to not only the fans, but the team as well (especially D-Will).

My advice to Greg Miller: Get ready to pony up, keep AK for the season, let his $17 mil come off the books and if he's willing to resign with Utah for half that much next season then bring him back.

 

[GVC]

Every move the jazz have done this year has been to save money.

Al Jefferson? Raja Bell?

 

[infection]

I find this fascinating. We've been enamored with AK to the point of refusing to deal him for the following:

Shawn Marion, who was and is better and would have expired years ago.
Amare Stoudamire, who was and is better and would have expired last year.
Vince Carter, who was and is better and would have expired years ago.
Tracy McGrady, who at worst would have expired last year.

Now, after paying nearly his entire contract, we're that desperate to dump his salary that Boris Diaw, who has a longer contract, becomes a suitable substitute?

 

[GVC]

I find this fascinating. We've been enamored with AK to the point of refusing to deal him for the following:

Shawn Marion, who was and is better and would have expired years ago.
Amare Stoudamire, who was and is better and would have expired last year.
Vince Carter, who was and is better and would have expired years ago.
Tracy McGrady, who at worst would have expired last year.

Now, after paying nearly his entire contract, we're that desperate to dump his contract that Diaw becomes a suitable substitute?

Amare Stoudemire? What? I highly doubt that was ever on the table.

 

[infection]

Amare Stoudemire? What? I highly doubt that was ever on the table.

That was the talk of the town. But even if that was just a rumor, any of those three other guys would have been both better financial and basketball decisions. Diaw is worse on all fronts -- and by a longshot. Why have we gone from delusional to desperate regarding Andrei's talent and salary?

 

[Pastramiking]

Clippers would be best trade partner for Denver and Carmelo
Clippers get Anthony
Nuggets get Chris Kaman and Eric Gordon/ Al Farouq Aminu + drafts picks
Then the Clippers should quickly sign Eric Dampier to make up for the loss at center
Anthony and LaLa are in Hollywood, which is even better for her career than NYC; Between NYC and New Jersey, Clippers have the best core to build around with Baron Davis and Blake Griffin.
If Anthony's only reason for not wanting to play in LA is the fear of being in the shadow of Kobe Bryant, then he is actually not a baller and afraid to be challenged for the spotlight.

 

[Ben10]

But even if that was just a rumor, any of those three other guys would have been both better financial and basketball decisions. Diaw is worse on all fronts -- and by a longshot. Why have we gone from delusional to desperate regarding Andrei's talent and salary?

That would be because the biggest delusional when it came to AK was Larry Miller himself. All of the trades mentioned above were axed by LHM. He felt that AK was a better player than he is. Now that Larry is gone And the Jazz can save a lot of cash. (no matter how much it ends up being it's still MILLIONS of dollars). They are dumping AK who hasn't been the player that LHM thought he was for 4 years now.

 

[infection]

That would be because the biggest delusional when it came to AK was Larry Miller himself. All of the trades mentioned above were axed by LHM. He felt that AK was a better player than he is. Now that Larry is gone And the Jazz can save a lot of cash. (no matter how much it ends up being it's still MILLIONS of dollars). They are dumping AK who hasn't been the player that LHM thought he was for 4 years now.

McGrady was last summer. I don't recall when VC was.

 

[Ben10]

McGrady was last summer. I don't recall when VC was.

Carter was before his current stint with the Magic. LHM was still around then. And McGrady was still injured and no one was sure he was even going to come back and be any kind of a player at all (which he isn't). Plus hit was McGrady, mister Dis on D-Wills name, never get out of the first round, Destroy team chemesty McGrady were talking about. I's rather have Diaw than the McGrady they were trying to trade us.

 

[jazz fan in Chile]

I think it's at least debatable if Marion, Carter and T-mac are really better players tahn AK, maybe they are better offensive players, but if you look at AK's ability to impact the game on both ends of the floor, i dont think it's so clear who's better. I would take AK over any of those three in a heartbeat.

I find this fascinating. We've been enamored with AK to the point of refusing to deal him for the following:

Shawn Marion, who was and is better and would have expired years ago.
Amare Stoudamire, who was and is better and would have expired last year.
Vince Carter, who was and is better and would have expired years ago.
Tracy McGrady, who at worst would have expired last year.

Now, after paying nearly his entire contract, we're that desperate to dump his salary that Boris Diaw, who has a longer contract, becomes a suitable substitute?

 

[Scorpjazz]

AK has proved his mental toughness in the past.

I dont think petty stuff like this even phases him.

This is a joke, right? Mental toughness? AK?? HAHAHA!!!!

 

[TheSilencer1313]

I think it's at least debatable if Marion, Carter and T-mac are really better players tahn AK, maybe they are better offensive players, but if you look at AK's ability to impact the game on both ends of the floor, i dont think it's so clear who's better. I would take AK over any of those three in a heartbeat.

You hit it right there on the head. The Jazz aren't interested in people like Marion, Carter, and T-mac.
For one thing, all of those guys are getting pretty washed up.
And for another, none of those guys can change the dynamics of a game like AK.

Kirilenko played completely like himself until cocky Carlos Boozer showed up, and started getting the ball constantly.
I expect him and Deron to get right back to business, with Millsap and Jefferson joining in.

 

[jazzlurker]

I hear from my sources that the Jazz are really motivated to trade AK prior to Nov 9th. Blizzard is releasing Cataclysm. AK wants to be the first Mage to level to 85 on WoW.

Don't act like you don't know what I am talking about. I saw a guild named Latter Day Soldiers.

 

[infection]

Carter was before his current stint with the Magic. LHM was still around then. And McGrady was still injured and no one was sure he was even going to come back and be any kind of a player at all (which he isn't). Plus hit was McGrady, mister Dis on D-Wills name, never get out of the first round, Destroy team chemesty McGrady were talking about. I's rather have Diaw than the McGrady they were trying to trade us.

The point I make with McGrady is that at worst he expires. Anything passed that would have been a bonus. Had we traded for McGrady, we wouldn't be in this luxury tax predicament. If we had traded for McGrady, we also wouldn't have to choose betweenn one year of Kirilenko or next year of 9+ million to Diaw.

I think it's at least debatable if Marion, Carter and T-mac are really better players tahn AK, maybe they are better offensive players, but if you look at AK's ability to impact the game on both ends of the floor, i dont think it's so clear who's better. I would take AK over any of those three in a heartbeat.

When Andrei is injured, he's usually not playing on either end of the floor. When he's not injured, it's pretty rare that he's playing on both ends of the floor.

You hit it right there on the head. The Jazz aren't interested in people like Marion, Carter, and T-mac.
For one thing, all of those guys are getting pretty washed up.
And for another, none of those guys can change the dynamics of a game like AK.

The fact that he can does not imply that he is, does or will. Andrei is also washed up. Plus, we're talking about Marion 3-4 years ago. In addition, what we're really talking about is that any one of the aforementioned players would have been long expired and history, unlike our current predicament.

Kirilenko played completely like himself until cocky Carlos Boozer showed up, and started getting the ball constantly.

So his skillset and mental toughness is conditional. Wonderful.

 

[jazz fan in Chile]

I never said that he could play simultaneously on both sides of the floor as you suggest. Let me ask you something, if you could pick right now, you really would've traded AK for Carter? or Tmac? really? Tracy "first round exit" Mcgrady? Vince freaking Carter? i know i wouldnt.

The point I make with McGrady is that at worst he expires. Anything passed that would have been a bonus. Had we traded for McGrady, we wouldn't be in this luxury tax predicament. If we had traded for McGrady, we also wouldn't have to choose betweenn one year of Kirilenko or next year of 9+ million to Diaw.



When Andrei is injured, he's usually not playing on either end of the floor. When he's not injured, it's pretty rare that he's playing on both ends of the floor.



The fact that he can does not imply that he is, does or will. Andrei is also washed up. Plus, we're talking about Marion 3-4 years ago. In addition, what we're really talking about is that any one of the aforementioned players would have been long expired and history, unlike our current predicament.



So his skillset and mental toughness is conditional. Wonderful.