Kyle Korver picks for Jazz in mock draft

[Hopper]

Not sure what you're gettin at. Ya think they didn't practice with the team (or in the D-league) durin the year, that it? Ya think we would NOT have been in contention for the #2 seed in the conference with only one game to be played last year with them playin more, but instead we woulda clinched it, and mebbe even beat out the Lakers for the #1 seed? Ya think Sloan should have sat Memo all year, because everyone knew he wouldn't need to be ready come play-off time, because he would get hurt? What?

OK. What first comes to mind because they are current problems are Fes and Koufos. Like was said earlier the system as it is had their preparation level far below what it should have been. It's just not a good idea to keep players from getting minutes during the regular season and then need them for the playoffs and not have him ready.

P.S.: To quote John Wooden when one of his players complained about a lack of playin time: "I'm not the one limiting your playin time. You are."

 

[squareinthecircle]

This is what: my problem lies in his philosophy. It makes sense on paper but come playoff time it doesn't work right. So rather than fix the symptoms my suggestion is to go for the cause.

Not sure what you're gettin at. Ya think they didn't practice with the team (or in the D-league) durin the year, that it? Ya think we would NOT have been in contention for the #2 seed in the conference with only one game to be played last year with them playin more, but instead we woulda clinched it, and mebbe even beat out the Lakers for the #1 seed? Ya think Sloan should have sat Memo all year, because everyone knew he wouldn't need to be ready come play-off time, because he would get hurt? What?



P.S.: To quote John Wooden when one of his players complained about a lack of playin time: "I'm not the one limiting your playin time. You are."

 

[Hopper]

Whatever bad feelins Pop's Day brings for ya, my sympathies. Who's "philosopy" did work against the Lakers this year, come play-off time?

This is what: my problem lies in his philosophy. It makes sense on paper but come playoff time it doesn't work right. So rather than fix the symptoms my suggestion is to go for the cause.

Also this is not a good day for me any year. If I am more belligerent today than normal I apologize.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

...can't...resist...temptation.



I also love the notion that A) a coach can't develop players because coach doesn't follow formula v + pt = d (v is young player, pt is minutes played, d is some undetermined value of "development) and then throws specific players out there, and then of course, when mentioned of other players, their development is in spite of coach, not because of it.

Why is it in spite of the coach? Well, it wouldn't fit the easy model in fantasyworld that playing time equals development. And we can't have that, now can we? It's a damn shame coach didn't play 15 players a night at thirty minutes a game. THAT'S development right there.

 

[squareinthecircle]

Well first of all I would not want to make the change for the Lakers. Second changing that philosophy would not instantly ensure success, like it appears like you're looking for. Bottom line is it wouldn't work the way you are trying to measure it.

And in answer to your question I don't know. That's not my field of expertise- I'm just an armchair GM. Lucky for me that I don't need a better method in order to identify a worse one.

Whatever bad feelins Pop's Day brings for ya, my sympathies. Who's "philosopy" did work against the Lakers this year, come play-off time?

 

[Hopper]

Well, Dark, as I often brag, I have a 5-year old great-great grandson who's a damn good baller! He just needs developed, that's all. If some NBA team would give him 20-30 minutes a game for a year, he would be an all-star, I tellya!

 

[Hopper]

And thanks for the well wishes brother if they are sincere.

They are, and you're welcome, Square. They are a few pervs on this board who wouldn't get them from me, but you seem like a good, reasonable sort.

 

[squareinthecircle]

I'm not certain what you are getting at. Are you saying that PT does nothing for player maturation?

And if Sloan won't change his philosophies then what needs to happen is we need to move the players that will not work for him and replace them with players that will. The real problem I have is that not only are some players not prepared but they are unprepared because they don't work for Sloan- so get rid of them.

...can't...resist...temptation.



I also love the notion that A) a coach can't develop players because coach doesn't follow formula v + pt = d (v is young player, pt is minutes played, d is some undetermined value of "development) and then throws specific players out there, and then of course, when mentioned of other players, their development is in spite of coach, not because of it.

Why is it in spite of the coach? Well, it wouldn't fit the easy model in fantasyworld that playing time equals development. And we can't have that, now can we? It's a damn shame coach didn't play 15 players a night at thirty minutes a game. THAT'S development right there.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Pfft. He's too old. Time to make way for the four year olds.

 

[squareinthecircle]

They are, and you're welcome, Square. They are a few pervs on this board who wouldn't get them from me, but you seem like a good, reasonable sort.

Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I'm not certain what you are getting at. Are you saying that PT does nothing for player maturation?

And if Sloan won't change his philosophies then what needs to happen is we need to move the players that will not work for him and replace them with players that will. The real problem I have is that not only are some players not prepared but they are unprepared because they don't work for Sloan- so get rid of them.

Can't see anything in my post that would claim that. Minutes is only one part of the equation. You have to earn minutes. Can't just be given them and hope that those minutes somehow "develop" you. You get tired after five minutes of play, why should you play? You don't play yourself into game shape anymore. If you can't run the offense in practice, how the hell you going to run it properly in game conditions? Minutes help. Being in game conditions help, but minutes don't guarantee that a player will improve.

And define being "unprepared" to be ready to play. That makes no sense to me.

 

[squareinthecircle]

It's a damn shame coach didn't play 15 players a night at thirty minutes a game. THAT'S development right there.

You don't think this hints at suggesting PT does nothing for development?

 

[squareinthecircle]

Can't see anything in my post that would claim that. Minutes is only one part of the equation. You have to earn minutes. Can't just be given them and hope that those minutes somehow "develop" you. You get tired after five minutes of play, why should you play? You don't play yourself into game shape anymore. If you can't run the offense in practice, how the hell you going to run it properly in game conditions? Minutes help. Being in game conditions help, but minutes don't guarantee that a player will improve.

And define being "unprepared" to be ready to play. That makes no sense to me.

If you can't see anything in your post that would claim that then it's likely we are incompatible regarding communication.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

If you can't see anything in your post that would claim that then it's likely we are incompatible regarding communication.

Quote specifics that you say would hint that. Not my problem if you think my typing an inane formula that is obviously too simplistic and absolute to be a real world application is suggestive of an absolute in the opposite direction.

 

[Hopper]

Guys like Jason Hart got a lot of NBA playin time, before and after he came to the Jazz. For some reason, it just didn't develop him into a starting-quality player--or even an adequate back-up.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Guys like Jason Hart got a lot of NBA playin time, before and after he came to the Jazz. For some reason, it just didn't develop him into a starting-quality player--or even an adequate back-up.

That's 'cause Sloan didn't develop him properly. Don't ask me to explain. It just is.

 

[squareinthecircle]

No I don't think I will. Clearly you don't use communication you abuse it.

Quote specifics that you say would hint that. Not my problem if you think my typing an inane formula that is obviously too simplistic and absolute to be a real world application is suggestive of an absolute in the opposite direction.

 

[Hopper]

Just for the record, I don't give Sloan the credit for guys like Millsap, Matthews, and Williams becoming the players they are now. The vast majority of that credit goes to the players themselves. I'm sure the coachin staff assisted them, but ultimately, they're the ones who had to have the desire, had to make themselves coachable, and had to put out the tremendous effort it takes to be a starting-quality player in the NBA. Sloan's insistence on hard work didn't hurt, but he couldn't do that work for them. They had to do it.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

No I don't think I will. Clearly you don't use communication you abuse it.

*shrug* Then don't expect to be taken at all seriously. At least S2 puts reason and examples into his posts (even if they're sometimes irrelevant to what he's arguing).





*now I'm imagining taken a billie club to communication, or yelling at it.

 

[squareinthecircle]

*shrug* Then don't expect to be taken at all seriously. At least S2 puts reason and examples into his posts (even if they're sometimes irrelevant to what he's arguing).

I'll see if I can carry on.