Lauri re-signs for 5 years 238 million

[Handlogten's Heros]

So does this mean Sexton gone to you or nah?

No. McMahon basically said the Jazz vets don't have much of a market. Mentioned Sexton may have the best market but that if a deal was solid enough it would have been made by now. Knowing what we know about DA I don't see it. I think if the Lakers came with a pick and DLo that would be the best hope (Dlo rerouted or waived). They should start Sexton. Let him get his numbers and see if anyone gets excited. If not I'd find ways to manage his minutes later on in the year. He's extension eligible shortly so you could even send some hush money his way too.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

No. McMahon basically said the Jazz vets don't have much of a market. Mentioned Sexton may have the best market but that if a deal was solid enough it would have been made by now. Knowing what we know about DA I don't see it. I think if the Lakers came with a pick and DLo that would be the best hope (Dlo rerouted or waived). They should start Sexton. Let him get his numbers and see if anyone gets excited. If not I'd find ways to manage his minutes later on in the year. He's extension eligible shortly so you could even send some hush money his way too.

Just insanity there isnt more of a market, either real or fake (like internet rumors).

On one hand nothing I read about the Jazz's future ever bothers to mention Sexton and I never see him in any trade rumors, even disrespectful ones. I still dont get how he isnt traded, but at the same time, it does seem like nothing is actually out there.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And I get it, because I was a non-believer this time last year, but damn, I find it hard anyone care argue with the numbers he put up this past year and he is on a very team friendly deal for 2 years. Anyone looking to make a final push who needs scoring should be dying to get him.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Just insanity there isnt more of a market, either real or fake (like internet rumors).

On one hand nothing I read about the Jazz's future ever bothers to mention Sexton and I never see him in any trade rumors, even disrespectful ones. I still dont get how he isnt traded, but at the same time, it does seem like nothing is actually out there.

It is. This is part of why I was so puzzled last year looking at his numbers. I don't think the Jazz have done themselves any service here either with the constant message of "we see him as a sixth man".

But I think teams like the Lakers are the best targets... and those mfers saw Dlo and Mike Conley and were like... WE WANT DLO!!!!

I wonder if the Heat called before doing the Rozier deal. That's kinda what I'd expect the package to be and I like Collin way more than Terry.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Like the Magic. You have a cheap team for a couple more years because of how well you drafted and these dudes being ready now to at least make noise. Push in for Sexton. What is Anthony Black doing on your roster in the next two years?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Like the Magic. You have a cheap team for a couple more years because of how well you drafted and these dudes being ready now to at least make noise. Push in for Sexton. What is Anthony Black doing on your roster in the next two years?

Yeah and again I think its part of the issue with how the Jazz have positioned Collin. He's a sixth man type... well we have a sixth man type at home... and the sixth man at home is Cole Anthony.

If they had started him all year... given him minutes... I think the view would be different.

But you would think there would be one smart GM that goes and gets him understanding his production and efficiency is pretty bonkers.

 

[KqWIN]

McMahon also confirmed that "Development Time" is coming. Said the excess space likely a salary dump.

I think its going to be different this time around with tanking. I think Lauri is on board (at least for 12 months) and part of that give is patience or buy-in or hush money.

The options for going another route don't really exist either. The off season has passed. All you're really looking at is Ingram....but even then you're likely giving up depth and not much closer to the playoffs (if at all).

Yeah and again I think its part of the issue with how the Jazz have positioned Collin. He's a sixth man type... well we have a sixth man type at home... and the sixth man at home is Cole Anthony.

If they had started him all year... given him minutes... I think the view would be different.

But you would think there would be one smart GM that goes and gets him understanding his production and efficiency is pretty bonkers.

Much of this is self inflicted by the Jazz. I think there is a natural hesitancy to believe he's a true starter and instead more of a 6th man, and that's exactly how the Jazz have treated him. But it's also just the reality of this archetype. He's a tiny guard who sucks at defense and on top of that there are some valid question marks about turning the offense over to him. Even guys who are true offensive superstars will have some natural doubters if they are this small and this bad at defense. And before anyone says it...I don't care about how intense his face looks Sexton is indeed bad at defense.

I'm willing to take a chance on him and see if he can prove himself to be an elite offensive player in starter minutes. He has potential to be the type of player you tank for. But on the other hand, I would understand trading him. If Sexton weren't on our team, for example, we wouldn't be looking to trade for him.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The options for going another route don't really exist either. The off season has passed. All you're really looking at is Ingram....but even then you're likely giving up depth and not much closer to the playoffs (if at all).



Much of this is self inflicted by the Jazz. I think there is a natural hesitancy to believe he's a true starter and instead more of a 6th man, and that's exactly how the Jazz have treated him. But it's also just the reality of this archetype. He's a tiny guard who sucks at defense and on top of that there are some valid question marks about turning the offense over to him. Even guys who are true offensive superstars will have some natural doubters if they are this small and this bad at defense. And before anyone says it...I don't care about how intense his face looks Sexton is indeed bad at defense.

I'm willing to take a chance on him and see if he can prove himself to be an elite offensive player in starter minutes. He has potential to be the type of player you tank for. But on the other hand, I would understand trading him. If Sexton weren't on our team, for example, we wouldn't be looking to trade for him.

This is fair. The player type works against him for sure but if you start him and let the numbers accrue he may be seen as one of the best players of that archetype.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Was Lauri Markkanen just an afterthought in the trade. I mean right after the trade the Jazz extended Sexton leading me to think he was a big piece of the deal, and getting a recent lotto drafted player yet to play a game is always a big get, then there’s Markkanen. I mean would the Jazz still have made the deal if it had been say Okoro instead? If true it’s a great story

Sexton was a sign and trade as part of the deal. He was a RFA. Same type of deal that got Markkanen to the Cavs in the first place.

 

[KqWIN]

This is fair. The player type works against him for sure but if you start him and let the numbers accrue he may be seen as one of the best players of that archetype.

It's tough because you have to be extremely good for people to buy into a tiny guard. Even a player at around a Garland level....some might find that iffy. I think people are too harsh against the short kings, but that is the reality for these guys. You can be extremely good but still not exactly what teams want.

 

[Coach Ellis]

It's tough because you have to be extremely good for people to buy into a tiny guard. Even a player at around a Garland level....some might find that iffy. I think people are too harsh against the short kings, but that is the reality for these guys. You can be extremely good but still not exactly what teams want.

He’s one that plays bigger than his size though. Not all of them do.

 

[KqWIN]

He’s one that plays bigger than his size though. Not all of them do.

Defense is where it matters.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Yeah and again I think its part of the issue with how the Jazz have positioned Collin. He's a sixth man type... well we have a sixth man type at home... and the sixth man at home is Cole Anthony.

If they had started him all year... given him minutes... I think the view would be different.

That wouldn't have changed anything. It's not like this is the first time the league sees Collin Sexton. He's a known quantity and he's always been the same player.

This is why I roll my eyes when fans suggest that a team is "showcasing" a player to pump up his trade value. Every rotation guy in the NBA is well known. GM's make wrong decisions now and then but you can't fool them by giving a guy extra minutes.

The league sees Collin as a small sparkplug off the bench who plays with blinders on. Not exactly a player type that's coveted these days.

 

[fishonjazz]

That wouldn't have changed anything. It's not like this is the first time the league sees Collin Sexton. He's a known quantity and he's always been the same player.

This is why I roll my eyes when fans suggest that a team is "showcasing" a player to pump up his trade value. Every rotation guy in the NBA is well known. GM's make wrong decisions now and then but you can't fool them by giving a guy extra minutes.

The league sees Collin as a small sparkplug off the bench who plays with blinders on. Not exactly a player type that's coveted these days.

Except he wasn't the same player last year as his of previous years. He was much better.


Last season was his best ppg per 36 of his career, his most efficient year of his career, highest assist per game of his career (while keeping the turnovers low) and his second best rebounding year of his career.
Best BPM of his career by far.

Last season was easily his best season. And that's even with a very rough/slow start.

A tremendous amount of downside incoming in 5.4.3.2.1.....



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[Tremendous Upside]

Except he wasn't the same player last year as his of previous years. He was much better.


Last season was his best ppg per 36 of his career, his most efficient year of his career, highest assist per game of his career (while keeping the turnovers low) and his second best rebounding year of his career.
Best BPM of his career by far.

Last season was easily his best season. And that's even with a very rough/slow start.

No, for all intents and purposes he's the same player he's always been. Fierce competitor, horrible decision maker, awful defender. He drives into the trees without a plan and gets blocked while 3 of his teammates are standing on the perimeter wide open. I'd share a foxhole with Sexton but I'm not sure I'd like to play basketball with him.

His improved numbers don't matter because no team in the league is willing to give him the type of role he's had in Utah. He'd be a on a very short leash everywhere else, and that has a direct effect on his trade value. He simply doesn't have a market. Teams don't see him as a solution, they see him as something of a headache.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

So this isn't the conspiracy corner and maybe this is a little like Down Payment Theory... but I had thought that if we gave $24M the max would be reduced by 24M on the back end. It was cut in half and maybe that was a give for not getting a player option or something... but also I just want to consider it "hush money" for playing along with the tank. It is clear to me that we will be developing players. We will be a bottom 6 team this year unless Lisan Al Gaib ascends to the throne... and if that happens we are good (or we are doomed... I haven't read the books... **** I think we might be doomed if that happens).

Hush Money Theory. It's good!

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

I think if the Lakers came with a pick and DLo that would be the best hope (Dlo rerouted or waived). They should start Sexton. Let him get his numbers and see if anyone gets excited. If not I'd find ways to manage his minutes later on in the year. He's extension eligible shortly so you could even send some hush money his way too.

I would be fine with a trade like this. Laker's get better pushing the rest of the West. DLo is an expiring so we can get an asset for picking him up and possibly an asset for the expiring status in 6 months. How's about DLo and removing the top 4 protection or DLo and a super swap for Sexton. Sexton surely makes the Lakers better than DLo. Pretty minimal risk there for the Lakers.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Hush Money Theory. It's good!

It had been a minute since I came up with something stupid... it was time.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I would be fine with a trade like this. Laker's get better pushing the rest of the West. DLo is an expiring so we can get an asset for picking him up and possibly an asset for the expiring status in 6 months. How's about DLo and removing the top 4 protection or DLo and a super swap for Sexton. Sexton surely makes the Lakers better than DLo. Pretty minimal risk there for the Lakers.

I need a pick... the protections would be nice to get removed of course. Sadly, we may never see a super swap we will keep trying though.

 

[fishonjazz]

He drives into the trees without a plan and gets blocked while 3 of his teammates are standing on the perimeter wide open.

This wasn't happening much at all last season. No more than it happens with any other player who is good at getting buckets. He played at an all star level for the vast majority of the season.