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Legalize marijuana?

I dunno, but I think a good study on the cognitive effects on long-term/heavy usage oughtta make some people think twice. . . . . uhhhhmmmmmm. . . . . . well, potheads can't do that I know.
There are studies which generally, even without rigorous efforts to control for selection/reverse causality, show a pretty mild short-term effect and a negligible long-term effect. The tyrannical puritans and prohibitionists have done a good job of spreading disinformation to fools like you, unfortunately.
 
So I guess the only folks still huffing on this stale fume are the dopeheads who can't follow logic anymore. Or understand English.

Exhibit A in my soapbox oration of what happens to people who use weed, if they weren't dopes they will become dopes.
Yeah, other than providing no evidence you make an awesome case for yourself. Well done.

What's next in your groundbreaking analysis, "blah blah blah dopeheads, blah blah dopeheads blah blah blah blah doepheads blah blah." Some very persuasive stuff there.
 
A salad alone? No.

A dietary change? Yes. In my opinion, at least.


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I can agree that over time it can change your mood, attitudes and behavior, sure. I don't think it provides an adequate shock to lead to someone becoming critical of their lifelong hatred of the sound of their own voice though...for example.
 
You guys ever gotten really high and then did the old WWE 'suck it' thing over and over again until it makes it seem like you are having an ******.

Obviously, I haven't.
 
I can agree that over time it can change your mood, attitudes and behavior, sure. I don't think it provides an adequate shock to lead to someone becoming critical of their lifelong hatred of the sound of their own voice though...for example.

See, I think it can. I work in really close cohorts with a physician who practices environmental medicine here in my city. MD, FRCPC, yadda yadda. He was telling me how he had a colleague suffering from paralyzing depression and suicidal thoughts-- and how his condition reversed by completely excising MSG from his diet (glutamate is the number one excitatory neurotransmitter in the body-- glutamate is an importable amino acid that can cross the blood-brain barrier). His msg came from his habit of pouring hot sauce on everything.

Sure someone might jump in and say "MSG has no proven ill-effects". But I'm just giving you an anecdote.

It's things like this, that there's minimal research on, but potentially loads we don't know. Food and lifestyle can really impact our brain chemistry-- and our brain chemistry can have such a myriad of impacts on the most general of things. Or even the most specific.


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See, I think it can. I work in really close cohorts with a physician who practices environmental medicine here in my city. MD, FRCPC, yadda yadda. He was telling me how he had a colleague suffering from paralyzing depression and suicidal thoughts-- and how his condition reversed by completely excising MSG from his diet (glutamate is the number one excitatory neurotransmitter in the body-- glutamate is an importable amino acid that can cross the blood-brain barrier). His msg came from his habit of pouring hot sauce on everything.

Sure someone might jump in and say "MSG has no proven ill-effects". But I'm just giving you an anecdote.

It's things like this, that there's minimal research on, but potentially loads we don't know. Food and lifestyle can really impact our brain chemistry-- and our brain chemistry can have such a myriad of impacts on the most general of things. Or even the most specific.


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I couldn't agree with this any more. Diet (and exercise) can be huge in changing one's state of mind.
 
See, I think it can. I work in really close cohorts with a physician who practices environmental medicine here in my city. MD, FRCPC, yadda yadda. He was telling me how he had a colleague suffering from paralyzing depression and suicidal thoughts-- and how his condition reversed by completely excising MSG from his diet (glutamate is the number one excitatory neurotransmitter in the body-- glutamate is an importable amino acid that can cross the blood-brain barrier). His msg came from his habit of pouring hot sauce on everything.

Sure someone might jump in and say "MSG has no proven ill-effects". But I'm just giving you an anecdote.

It's things like this, that there's minimal research on, but potentially loads we don't know. Food and lifestyle can really impact our brain chemistry-- and our brain chemistry can have such a myriad of impacts on the most general of things. Or even the most specific.


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I guess I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Diet and exercise are the best way to improve your cognitive/emotional state, so all other things that improve your mental health, even if they don't interfere with or affect your diet or exercise, should be avoided?
 
There are studies which generally, even without rigorous efforts to control for selection/reverse causality, show a pretty mild short-term effect and a negligible long-term effect. The tyrannical puritans and prohibitionists have done a good job of spreading disinformation to fools like you, unfortunately.

you mean fools who consider empirical evidence on every hand something that portends a possibility which a lot of people are denying on sheer "faith"??

There have been few cultures which have established a pattern of long-term Marijuana use, and maintained a strong economy or intellectual tradition. Morocco might be an example where a good study could amply show the results of long-term use.

There are some neighborhoods in California where a serious evaluation of the users and their habits might easily advance the concern I express. When ordinary people can accurately identify long-term usage by particular cognitive impairments, I'd say the only reason we don't have a competent study done scientifically that supports the same conclusion is a cultural aversion to making that conclusion.

Colorado data since legalization has a lot of people wanting to reverse legalization. A wave of dope DUIs might be police prejudice, but the accidents/deaths on the highways increase looks like a hard connection to use.

The user trend to progress into other drugs is another thing. While I don't know why people do what they do in that regard, crossing the MJ line is statistically linked to meth, cocaine, and other drugs. Let's see if OB can pull up something that runs against that correlation. . . .
 
I guess I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Diet and exercise are the best way to improve your cognitive/emotional state, so all other things that improve your mental health, even if they don't interfere with or affect your diet or exercise, should be avoided?

Not at all. I just feel like some of the concerns that a given person might be trying to solve with weed (like anxiety, which is the main driver for one of my closest friends), could be addressed with diet and exercise-- which I think would have a wider range of benefits than the mere smoking of pot.

I don't have that big of a problem with pot, honestly. I'm for legalizing it. With that said: it bums me out when ppl complain about how stressful their life is (not saying this is you, I'm speaking generally), and how big their mood swings are-- and their only solution is the smoking of marijuana, as they continue to eat pizza and ice cream 3x a day.


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you mean fools who consider empirical evidence on every hand something that portends a possibility which a lot of people are denying on sheer "faith"??

There have been few cultures which have established a pattern of long-term Marijuana use, and maintained a strong economy or intellectual tradition. Morocco might be an example where a good study could amply show the results of long-term use.

There are some neighborhoods in California where a serious evaluation of the users and their habits might easily advance the concern I express. When ordinary people can accurately identify long-term usage by particular cognitive impairments, I'd say the only reason we don't have a competent study done scientifically that supports the same conclusion is a cultural aversion to making that conclusion.

Colorado data since legalization has a lot of people wanting to reverse legalization. A wave of dope DUIs might be police prejudice, but the accidents/deaths on the highways increase looks like a hard connection to use.

The user trend to progress into other drugs is another thing. While I don't know why people do what they do in that regard, crossing the MJ line is statistically linked to meth, cocaine, and other drugs. Let's see if OB can pull up something that runs against that correlation. . . .

Your point about California neighbourhoods being indicative of what long-term pot use causes, is extremely problematic.



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you mean fools who consider empirical evidence on every hand something that portends a possibility which a lot of people are denying on sheer "faith"??

There have been few cultures which have established a pattern of long-term Marijuana use, and maintained a strong economy or intellectual tradition. Morocco might be an example where a good study could amply show the results of long-term use.

There are some neighborhoods in California where a serious evaluation of the users and their habits might easily advance the concern I express. When ordinary people can accurately identify long-term usage by particular cognitive impairments, I'd say the only reason we don't have a competent study done scientifically that supports the same conclusion is a cultural aversion to making that conclusion.

Colorado data since legalization has a lot of people wanting to reverse legalization. A wave of dope DUIs might be police prejudice, but the accidents/deaths on the highways increase looks like a hard connection to use.

The user trend to progress into other drugs is another thing. While I don't know why people do what they do in that regard, crossing the MJ line is statistically linked to meth, cocaine, and other drugs. Let's see if OB can pull up something that runs against that correlation. . . .

A lot of people? It's about the same percentage of people who were against the law in the first place. It hasn't fluctuated much since the law was passed....at one time or another the "anti" side has got a majority in some polling, but not by more than a couple of percentage points, and those polls seem to be the outlier.

Not sure what accidents/highway deaths you are talking about. We are at historic lows here in this state for that.

What neighborhoods in California would you be referring to by the way?
 
A lot of people? It's about the same percentage of people who were against the law in the first place. It hasn't fluctuated much since the law was passed....at one time or another the "anti" side has got a majority in some polling, but not by more than a couple of percentage points, and those polls seem to be the outlier.

Not sure what accidents/highway deaths you are talking about. We are at historic lows here in this state for that.

What neighborhoods in California would you be referring to by the way?

Stop bothering him with asking for specific details. Take this on faith...
 
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