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Lets face it our front office is the worst in the NBA

Without Boozer I don't see us making it past the 1st round. Sap can't play every single minute. Even when he does play the refs seem to have it out for him and give him cheap fouls. Sometimes he commits stupid fouls but sometimes he isn't even in the vicinity of the guy with the ball and they will call a foul on Sap.
 
twentytwo said:
This thread is absolutely ridiculous and stupid.

Some idiots on this board think because they have the benefit of hind-sight that they are much better at being back-seat GMs than O'Connor is at being this team's GM. I'm not saying KOC is one of the best GMs out there, but he is not as bad as all the we're-doomed-naysayers make him out to be. At all.

People get so emotional and forget that basketball is a business. From a business point of view, the trading of Maynor and Harp's contract for the amount of money that came off the books was a great move, and (in my opinion, of course) didn't make us much worse, if worse at all. Same with the Brewer dump; was Brewer a decent player? If you ignore that fact that he couldn't spread the defense at all, sure, he was a decent wing. But I don't think his loss made our team any worse, either. It isn't like he left a hole in his absence; if anything, it freed up more room for our wings who can actually shoot the ball to play.

For Gods sake, we won 53 games last year and everyone decries these moves as boneheaded. The people on this board who are too emotional and don't understand as much as they let on, anyway.

And anyone who says our front office is the worst in the league has absolutely no idea about other front offices out there. What a joke. Let's see our team endure the same cycle-of-failure as many other teams have and see what you have to say looking back at our current front office. Ha.

The last thing, people seem to forget that this is Utah. We are one of the smallest market teams out there. For all that our team has accomplished, I am proud to be a Jazz fan. Do I want a title? Absolutely. But our team isn't exactly in the position to go out and make blockbuster trades and pick up superstar free agents. Stop kidding yourself.

And if this is about Hayward, I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do. Flop or no flop, he isn't going to make or break our front office, as many on this board are fooling themselves into believing.
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People on this board dont give a **** if its a good business decission. We want a championship. We have all stuck it out for so many years and its our turn to get paid. The Millers have robbed us of our money (yes I have bought a car from them)and a championship. So stop with your I'm smarter than you bull ****. The fact is if we stopped going to games and stopped buying merchandise it would all change, but we are fanzz and we love them and want to dance naked down state street just once... ok the one time I was drunk doesnt count!
 
twentytwo said:
Don't forget that those Jazz played against Michael Jordan, the undisputed best basketball player of all time. Jordan carried that team.
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...undisputed? Ever heard of Kareem Abdul Jabbar? Or Wilt Chamberlin? Or Oscar Robertson? Bill Russell? Yeah, he's won 6 rings.....but Russell has 11 rings! Jabbar and Chamberlin have more basket records than Jordan could ever dream of!
 
carolinajazz said:
...undisputed? Ever heard of Kareem Abdul Jabbar? Or Wilt Chamberlin? Or Oscar Robertson? Bill Russell? Yeah, he's won 6 rings.....but Russell has 11 rings! Jabbar and Chamberlin have more basket records than Jordan could ever dream of!
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Come on. I know we all hate Jordan for what he did. But saying he isnt the GOAT just makes it seem like youve never watched basketball.
 
If "front office" can be replaced with just "ownership" in the title of this thread, then I'd agree more. KOC is working under much more of a constraint than other GMs. Where a single mistake, like an Ostertag contract or an AK contract can handicap the teams for years. Because the ownership is conservative, frugal and a bunch of bottomline-watchers.
You put Mark Cuban or a PaulAllen as the owner of this franchise and I think you'd see a trade almost every year. Some of it also has to do with the coach that we have and his preferences. I am not defending KOC here. I am NOT a fan of him and I think his draft day blunders are a little too many. But the blame hierarchy doesn't quite have him at the top. It has M-I-L-L-E-R written all over it.
 
They're not that bad, as a whole.

However, I'm curious if anyone can tell me who had a worse draft than the Jazz (of teams that had draft picks) this year.
 
NUMBERICA said:
They're not that bad, as a whole.

However, I'm curious if anyone can tell me who had a worse draft than the Jazz (of teams that had draft picks) this year.
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Taking Udoh at 6 I think was worse than us taking Hayward at 9. Especially for a team like Golden State.
 
Chad Feldheimer said:
Yeah they only won 53 games last years. HORRID!
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and yeah they didnt have homecourt in the first round foronly the FOURTH year in a row.

what was the last "elite" team that didnt have homecourt in the first round of the playoffs for four years in a row? Must be some sort of a record I guess.
 
Jeditiger said:
Right. And how has that worked out for Dallas and Portland?
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Well, they did'nt have KOC, did they?
I am just saying that KOC's apparent laziness might have something to do with ownership.
Not comparing the Jazz with Portland or Dallas.
You need a creative GM who knows his stuff AND an ownerhhsip that is willing to try and take calculated risks to get the job done. We dont know how creative our GM is yet, because we have a ****** ownership
 
Mambo said:
And they picked a player that wont get us past that team that beat us in the 2nd round/ kicked out asses the past 3 years.
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You knew of a player that would guarentee that the Jazz beat the Champion Lakers from here on out? Well when the Jazz were on the clock you should of called KOC!


Also the Portland GM position is available. I highly recommend you apply for the job.
 
Beantown said:
You knew of a player that would guarentee that the Jazz beat the Champion Lakers from here on out? Well when the Jazz were on the clock you should of called KOC!


Also the Portland GM position is available. I highly recommend you apply for the job.
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No, but I sure as hell knew of one that could provide what we actually needed. (and inside presence/shot blocking threat. Please read my post about the last 11 NBA champions.
 
richgates said:
Taking Udoh at 6 I think was worse than us taking Hayward at 9. Especially for a team like Golden State.
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Why? They reached, sure, but they always need a defensive presence (down low, especially) and they always need players that have perimeter skills (shooting, passing, playing out of the high-post in general). Udoh was the only player that achieved both things.
 
Chad Feldheimer said:
Yes because how good players end up being is decided before they even play in the NBA right?
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The vast majority of the time, yes, actually. And player success is relative to where they were drafted if you're talking about the success of the draft. I don't see Gordon Morrison being the 9th best player of the draft. Or the most pressing, important player that the Jazz needed (we know this already).
 
We are probably not the worst front office in the league but the last few years have been unimpressive. Take this year for example- we have a 20 and 10 big man most likely leaving, we have a big man probably out for at least 1/2 season, we have been killed by teams with legnth. So the answer is obvious , take Davis ,Aldrich or even trade down and take whiteside. Instead KOC selects GH. Then he justifies it by saying they "really tried to trade up to get who they wanted". What happened to trading for Brand and a higher draft pick or Jefferson and the number 4?

KOC will do nothing this offseason except re-sign Fes and Mathews. The reason I know this is that KOC has done nothing for the past several summers.
 
We aren't the worst FO, but we aren't a top tier one either. We have no direction right now, no plan, no focus, no clue.
We said we needed to get tougher in the offseason, so we draft a poor shooting paper boy, and let Aldrich go to our division rival.
Maynor is sold to our division rival, and Memo is extended. Please explain this to me?

Look at what the Thunder are doing. They are getting better every offseason. They are only going up.
Where are we going next year?

I don't see any plan in place. It's time to move away from Sloan and KOC, but that is at least another year off.
For now it's grin and bear it time.
 
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