Lets put it out there ....Who thinks Hill starts over Exum,I don't

[tleikheen]

I think talent always wins out and Exum was stuck in the lineup for that reason already.Also I'll take playing time over mentoring.Lets not forget with Exum starting and playing the Jazz WON.So this win now mantra by playing Hill over Exum rings false as Jazz already were a winning team with Exum starting.
Exum is now playing 5 on 5 scrimmages and 4 more months before the start of the season to get more work on his knee and legs.That adds up to 15 months from surgery.

When Exum was starting he made his team mates and team better.Hill is a complimentary player ,a rotation type but does he make his team mates better as Exum has demonstrated.Talent wins out and fully expect Exum to be the starting PG.

 

[stitches]

I think he starts over Exum, but there might be a mid-season shift if Exum starts performing better and better.

 

[Revolution 9]

I think he starts to begin the season. Veteran presence while Dante shakes off the rust. Hill is more than capable of holding the job until Dante takes it away from him.

This. Unless Dante just lights it up in pre-season I think you start him off the bench. Build his confidence, and move him into the #1 slot if
he is playing at a high level. It's a LONG season, and we aren't sure how he will hold up. I see him moving into the starting role sometime in late January.

 

[cowhide]

Dante's health will be a big factor. I think if healthy Dante starts.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Hill will be the starter. Dante will be brought along slowly and they'll let him beat up on second units. In two years Dante might be handed the keys.

 

[Lost_Jazz_Fan]

I think he starts to begin the season. Veteran presence while Dante shakes off the rust. Hill is more than capable of holding the job until Dante takes it away from him.

Highly agree here. There is no need for Exum to be thrust back into the starting role and logging heavy minutes in his first year back off a major injury. Let him ease back in as the backup and when he turns the corner, hand him the reigns again.

 

[SCS]

Exum better start. If he doesn't we are wasting our time. Hill isn't a starting point guard, he's not a natural distributor. He's best used off the bench as a 3 and D sixth man type. If Exum is not fully healthy by the start of the season (which he should be) I'd rather have Mack start with an Exum/Hill combo coming off the bench.

 

[green]

Exum won't be ready for full, unrestricted mins until Dec. Best case, he will start in Feb.

 

[tleikheen]

If the knee is healthy, Dante is the starter and it's not even a discussion.

Here's a comparison with fellow draftee Jabari Parker : Jabari tore is ACL on (12-15-14) and 11 months and 3 weeks later(11-4-15) Jabari is making his debut. on Feb.29,14 1/2 months later Jabari is scoringa career high 36 points.
Dante tore is ACL on (8-4-15),surgery (9-3-15).The start of the 2016-2017 it will be 15 full months since his surgery.

If Exum is fully healthy he should be starting as he has already demonstrated he can be part of a winning team with Hayward,Gobert,Favors,and Hood.I like Hill but Dante already has alot of games playing with his team mates,Hill doesn't.Dante has done nothing playing wise to lose his starting position.

 

[ghsartin]

So now we have Hill and his 3.5 apg/34 mpg and he's going to be the starting PG.He complements well but he's not going to run the show for the Jazz.Give Exum 34 mpg and he's probably 8 apg plus !! Hill joins the rotation of Exum,Hood and Burks but the best chance the Jazz win big is with Exum running the show.

Exum averaged only 3.9 assists per 36 minutes during his rookie season. He is returning from a major knee surgery and has not played a while. I think your estimative of more than 8 assists per 34 minutes is way way - and just to make it clear - way too optimistic. Even before the knee surgery Exum was very hesitant to drive to the basket (probably because he lacked the strength to absorb contact in the paint) and the only way a young point guard with average passing skills, court vision and basketball IQ could average close to what you expected would be if (1) he had the ball in his hands much of the time and (2) drive to the basket on almost every opportunity. Neither is going to happen.

 

[ghsartin]

Hill is currently the better player &, in a vacuum, deserves to start but the team is obviously committed to Dante Exum as it's PG. Not only does starting Exum further create continuity with Hood, Hayward, Favors, & Gobert (which is clearly the future starting lineup as of right now), Hill is a much better fit with the 2nd unit as he is more effective playing off of the ball with Burks handling the majority of the playmaking duties. Regardless of who the starter ends up being, both will play important (& likely equal) roles on this team.

Burks has a very low basketball IQ (please notice, for instance, how much trouble he has using screens when he is the ballhandler) and the only reason he was given some playmaking duties in the past is that he can't hit outside shots consistently. We will see how it plays out during the season, but I think that if Hill and Burks were on the same lineup, Hill would be usually the playmaker. I think there's a chance, also, of Burks being traded even before the start of the season.

 

[fishonjazz]

the team is obviously committed to Dante Exum

I think getting hill shows that the jazz are more committed to Hayward and winning now than they are committed to dante.

Mack and neto are just fine as backups. The jazz definitely could have rolled with them. But they feared missing the playoffs again and losing Hayward next summer so they picked up hill.

That's how I see it anyway. Smart move by the jazz

 

[fishonjazz]

I am looking forward to the Fall when Jazzfanz realizes George Hill is really good.

I would guess that 90% of jazz fans already realize this. Most everyone on this site, on Facebook, that I have texted about the trade, on the radio, in online and newspaper articles, all love the trade.

 

[SCS]

Exum averaged only 3.9 assists per 36 minutes during his rookie season. He is returning from a major knee surgery and has not played a while. I think your estimative of more than 8 assists per 34 minutes is way way - and just to make it clear - way too optimistic. Even before the knee surgery Exum was very hesitant to drive to the basket (probably because he lacked the strength to absorb contact in the paint) and the only way a young point guard with average passing skills, court vision and basketball IQ could average close to what you expected would be if (1) he had the ball in his hands much of the time and (2) drive to the basket on almost every opportunity. Neither is going to happen.

He was 18. And had never played anything close to that level of competition before. You can't take his rookie stats and assume that's all he'll ever be. Towards the end of his rookie season we saw improvement in his overall game. He did start to drive to the basket and see the game better. At last years summer league we saw even more improvement from him. 8 APG isn't out of the range of possibility for him. He has all the physical tools. Once the lightbulb clicks on for him that guys have trouble staying in front of him he can be an all star level player.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

So now we have Hill and his 3.5 apg/34 mpg and he's going to be the starting PG.He complements well but he's not going to run the show for the Jazz.Give Exum 34 mpg and he's probably 8 apg plus !! Hill joins the rotation of Exum,Hood and Burks but the best chance the Jazz win big is with Exum running the show.

Look, I'm the driver of the Exum bus, and even I know it's premature to say Exum will get 8 assists per if he starts.

Hill's low assist rate can be contributed to him not being the primary ball handler as both PG and Ellis spent most of the time with the ball despite the fact that Hill was the pg. the year before, he got almost 6 a game. About the NBA average.

 

[karl malone]

Burks has a very low basketball IQ (please notice, for instance, how much trouble he has using screens when he is the ballhandler) and the only reason he was given some playmaking duties in the past is that he can't hit outside shots consistently. We will see how it plays out during the season, but I think that if Hill and Burks were on the same lineup, Hill would be usually the playmaker. I think there's a chance, also, of Burks being traded even before the start of the season.

Burks undoubtedly needs to work on his decision making, especially when it comes to deciding whether to finish or pass, but to use Hill as the primary ball handler with Burks in the same unit would be a misuse of their abilities. Burks' offensive game is centered around driving to the hoop while Hill is great playing off of the ball.

QUOTE=fishonjazz;1248120]I think getting hill shows that the jazz are more committed to Hayward and winning now than they are committed to dante.

Mack and neto are just fine as backups. The jazz definitely could have rolled with them. But they feared missing the playoffs again and losing Hayward next summer so they picked up hill.

That's how I see it anyway. Smart move by the jazz[/QUOTE]

No doubt this season is about winning, just meant that the Hill acquisition has no impact on the fact that Exum is still considered the PG of the future. Honestly, I don't see who starts between the two having a major impact on the outcome of the season. I expect both to play significant roles & Hill to close out games (at least for the beginning of the season).

 

[str8line]

He was 18. And had never played anything close to that level of competition before. You can't take his rookie stats and assume that's all he'll ever be. Towards the end of his rookie season we saw improvement in his overall game. He did start to drive to the basket and see the game better. At last years summer league we saw even more improvement from him. 8 APG isn't out of the range of possibility for him. He has all the physical tools. Once the lightbulb clicks on for him that guys have trouble staying in front of him he can be an all star level player.

He has the tools, but does he have the body mass to take it inside? Will he look scared like his rookie year or will he come out at the same level as summer league last year? Does anyone know if he has gained weight?

 

[Stifle Tower]

Exum will need time to get back into basketball shape. Hill will start, with Dante getting around 20 mins/per and then gradually increasing once he shows he can shoot and drive without crapping his shorts.

Hill is also a better fit with the starters. Gobert gives them no shooting and Favors is just a mid-range threat. Even Hayward is only an adequate 3pt shooter. Hill is a better shooter than Exum. So that leaves Hayward to run plays, with Hood and Hill behind the arc. Favors inside and Rudy trying to not muck things up on offense - or get fouled when he does touch the ball.

On the 2nd unit, Dante will have Lyles, Burks and whoever backs up Gobert. All of those players will take the pressure off Exum to have to be an outside threat.

 

[SCS]

He has the tools, but does he have the body mass to take it inside? Will he look scared like his rookie year or will he come out at the same level as summer league last year? Does anyone know if he has gained weight?

I don't know if he's gained weight or not but I remember seeing a tweet a few weeks ago from Tony Jones who works at the Salt Lake Tribune, he said he saw Dante at the training facility and he looked like he was in great shape.

 

[tleikheen]

No doubt this season is about winning, just meant that the Hill acquisition has no impact on the fact that Exum is still considered the PG of the future. Honestly, I don't see who starts between the two having a major impact on the outcome of the season. I expect both to play significant roles & Hill to close out games (at least for the beginning of the season).

I have no doubt George Hill is going to be in the guard rotation with Exum,Hood and Burks and that the Jazz will have one of the best Guard rotation in the NBA next season.Hill will eliminate playing time for Mack and Neto and be similar to Alec Burks in playing time.Some games Hill/Burks close out games if Exum/Hood struggle.I just don't see the Jazz pairing up Hood with Hill if the Jazz view Exum/Hood as their backcourt.Separating them is going to make them better? For now and the future?

By having the quickness of a point guard and the size of a wing, Exum's close-outs and double-teams take on an elastic quality valuable to Utah's resurgent defense. In fact, the Jazz lead the NBA in defensive rating (87.1 points per 100 possessions) since the All-Star break.

https://www.si.com/nba/2015/03/03/dante-exum-utah-jazz-the-craft

The win now attitude being portrayed with the Hill trade,if you remember the Jazz did win with Exum playing.Now with Hill going to be in the rotation with Exum,Hood,and Burks should really be fun to watch.

Exum could extend out and use his length to pressure opposing PG’s, the vast majority of whom were giving up a substantial number of inches. It’s just very hard to shoot over the top of a super-sized PG like Exum on the perimeter and there wasn’t much space to operate behind him either.

As a franchise, the Jazz have made a killing by drafting to a physical prototype. They are bigger, longer and faster than their opponents at almost every position

Exum is playing 5 on 5 scrimmages now with 4 more months til the season starts.With more muscle and a season watching and learning from the front row seat Exum should be way better than the scrawny kid straight out of a Australian high school.

he was playing high school basketball in Australia, which is about the farthest possible jump from NBA competition as can be imagined. The lifestyle transition from being a relatively anonymous high schooler half the world away is difficult enough before you even get into having to face the best players in the world on a nightly basis at the toughest position in the league.

Yet the Jazz won with him playing and he made the team better defensively and offensively