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Lets put it out there ....Who thinks Hill starts over Exum,I don't

Hill is also a better fit with the starters. Gobert gives them no shooting and Favors is just a mid-range threat. Even Hayward is only an adequate 3pt shooter. Hill is a better shooter than Exum. So that leaves Hayward to run plays, with Hood and Hill behind the arc. Favors inside and Rudy trying to not muck things up on offense - or get fouled when he does touch the ball.
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How do you know this ?? Exum already was better than anyone else at getting Gobert the ball.All last year fans here were saying Gobert regressed .Blame the PG's I say.Favors is much more than just a mid range threat ,he's a terror on the inside and with Exum should get more opportunities there.Remember in 34 MPG GHill avg.just 3 assists.

And lastly I don't want to see Hayward and Hood walking the ball up the court again for another year.I want to see them sprinting up the court with Exum.
 
You misunderstood me on Favors. He's good inside and to mid-range. But outside of Hood, Utah doesn't have 3pt threats. Dante was horrid his rookie season shooting. Hayward is more drive or step-back; he's not a great shooter from deep. Hill starting gives them that threat, along with Hood, which should open up the inside.

Until he proves otherwise, Exum isn't a threat. Teams can just play off him. We all want Exum to be this great player. Maybe he gets there. But let's take off the homer glasses and see him for what he is right now: a good defensive player who is hesitant on offense, can't shoot and rarely drives with purpose. Instead of catch and shoot, he's catch and pass, generally back out to Hayward or Hood/Burks on the perimeter.
 
.315 is not a great 3 point percentage but it is not horrid. This season that percentage would put Exum right in between James Harden and Jason Terry. Ahead of Durant, Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry and about 200 other NBA players. Right on par with Westbrook and Kemba Walker. Although most NBA players and especially young pgs improve their 3 pt percentage going in their 3rd year. I would expect either the percentage to go up for Exum or the volume to go up and stay around the same. 3 pt percentage was not Exums big problem his rookie year, he shot okay.
 
tleikheen said:
So now we have Hill and his 3.5 apg/34 mpg and he's going to be the starting PG.He complements well but he's not going to run the show for the Jazz.Give Exum 34 mpg and he's probably 8 apg plus !! Hill joins the rotation of Exum,Hood and Burks but the best chance the Jazz win big is with Exum running the show.
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You don't just hand players starting jobs. YOu let them work it out in practice, make them earn it. Also Hil laveraged 6 assist last yeat not 3.5.. You are eready to give an unkown players full control of a team? lol... Safe to say we know why you never would be a good gm.
 
jazzman12 said:
If the knee is healthy, Dante is the starter and it's not even a discussion.
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Not even close. Dante starting over Trey Burke had everything to do with the fact that Trey Burke sucks as a basketball player. Neto started over him FFS. George Hill is actually a good player. He will be the starter and that won't change until Dante takes it away from him.

Fans expecting Exum to start this season are missing something. One of the reasons Utah chose Hill over Teague is because they expect to re-sign him. Hill will deserve the starting spot, so there's no way you start Dante over him just because of what you hope he will someday be.
 
Exum, Gobert, Lyles and Hood will all be damn good basketball players. I'm excited to see what Dante did in terms of body building for this season. If he makes the same physical jump that Hayward has since he was drafted by Utah. . . look out. Lyles is the other guy that I can see making a huge jump this year after working out in Utah and at P3 for the whole summer.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
Not even close. Dante starting over Trey Burke had everything to do with the fact that Trey Burke sucks as a basketball player. Neto started over him FFS. George Hill is actually a good player. He will be the starter and that won't change until Dante takes it away from him.

Fans expecting Exum to start this season are missing something. Utah chose Hill over Teague for a reason, and that's because they expect to re-sign him. Hill will deserve the starting spot, so there's no way you start Dante over him just because of what you hope he will someday be.
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Great post. I want Dante to start because he's done what he needs to do to be the best option for the Jazz. Physically, he has the tools to get there. I'm hoping that working with Snyder, and now George Hill, helps him get to that point. I want Exum starting because, hopefully, it means that he's healthy and a top 10 PG in the NBA (with a top 15 PG as his backup.)
 
tleikheen said:
I have no doubt George Hill is going to be in the guard rotation with Exum,Hood and Burks and that the Jazz will have one of the best Guard rotation in the NBA next season.Hill will eliminate playing time for Mack and Neto and be similar to Alec Burks in playing time.Some games Hill/Burks close out games if Exum/Hood struggle.I just don't see the Jazz pairing up Hood with Hill if the Jazz view Exum/Hood as their backcourt.Separating them is going to make them better? For now and the future?
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I believe Exum will start in order to further build chemistry with Hood, Hayward, Favors, & Gobert as that is clearly the starting 5 of the future so I'm not sure what you meant by the last part of your post.
 
Ellis269 said:
Great post. I want Dante to start because he's done what he needs to do to be the best option for the Jazz. Physically, he has the tools to get there. I'm hoping that working with Snyder, and now George Hill, helps him get to that point. I want Exum starting because, hopefully, it means that he's healthy and a top 10 PG in the NBA (with a top 15 PG as his backup.)
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This is going to be kind of a Debbie downer post, but the reality is that with the injury Dante is coming back from, it's almost a certainty that his defense will be somewhat diminished. Obviously we all have our fingers crossed that he recovers near 100%, but the possibility exists that we may never see him play defense quite the same as before the injury. If Dante does recover to the point of being able to beat out Hill as the starter, I think it will take time, and not a few months. Maybe a year or two. Right now, I think it's safe to say that Hill is likely the better player at both ends of the court.
 
Maybe he gets there. But let's take off the homer glasses and see him for what he is right now: a good defensive player who is hesitant on offense, can't shoot and rarely drives with purpose. Instead of catch and shoot, he's catch and pass, generally back out to Hayward or Hood/Burks on the perimeter.
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Does Jazz management and coaching staff have homer glasses on then for actually being plzed that Exum took the 3pt shots when he had too.Coming from high school in Australia to letting 3 pters fly and still bury .315 % against the best PG's in the world.
I thought it was said that the Jazz coaching staff was very surprised what Exum could do at the defensive end.That they didn't know he could come in and play at a high level defensively.
a good defensive player who is hesitant on offense, can't shoot and rarely drives with purpose.
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was he like this in practice ,what did management see in the practices and games that they stand so solidly behind him while some fans don't think he did enough,ignoring where he came from and not giving him credit for doing what he could get away with without hurting his team.Seems for the most part he made mostly right choices since they won and dominated defensively and scored more pts when he was on the court.
 
Broncster said:
.315 is not a great 3 point percentage but it is not horrid. This season that percentage would put Exum right in between James Harden and Jason Terry. Ahead of Durant, Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry and about 200 other NBA players. Right on par with Westbrook and Kemba Walker.
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Are you being serious?
Harden. 36% from three this year.
Durant. 39%
Cp3. 37%
Terry. 35%
Lowry. 39%

31% from three is horrendous.
I think you got confused somehow.
 
fishonjazz said:
Are you being serious?
Harden. 36% from three this year.
Durant. 39%
Cp3. 37%
Terry. 35%
Lowry. 39%

31% from three is horrendous.
I think you got confused somehow.
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Hmm, I'll have to look again later. Either way Exums percentage isn't good but for a rookie that is not a horrid number it's decent.
 
fishonjazz said:
Are you being serious?
Harden. 36% from three this year.
Durant. 39%
Cp3. 37%
Terry. 35%
Lowry. 39%

31% from three is horrendous.
I think you got confused somehow.
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Broncster said:
Hmm, I'll have to look again later. Either way Exums percentage isn't good but for a rookie that is not a horrid number it's decent.
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I assumed you were talking about everyone's rookie numbers.
 
Broncster said:
Hmm, I'll have to look again later. Either way Exums percentage isn't good but for a rookie that is not a horrid number it's decent.
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Maybe cy is right and you spoke only of those players rookie numbers rather than last year.

Either way, I think 31% from three is poor. His 35% from the field, 62% from the line, 32 free throw attempts total for the season (dante played in all 82 games), 3.9 assists per 36, 2.6 rebounds per 36, 2.3 turnovers per 36, and 7.8 points per 36 were all very bad.

There is no real way to sugar coat it. Box score wise and offensively exum sucked his rookie year. He was super raw and young so it's not that big of a deal (hopefully this injury doesn't derail his career further) and was great defensively and seems like a good smart hard working kid.
 
Not naming them.. but I swear this thread is home to some of the worst takes in the history of Al Gore's invention.
 
Fish is on the right track. Not only is 31% terrible, but Dante only shot when he was wide open - 31% on pretty much only uncontested threes is atrocious.
 
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