Are you Kevin Durant?
Lindsey is a far more wasteful GM than ppl want to admit. It's time for a change.
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Yeah, this is based on 19 games and coming off two seasons in a row of 2nd round playoff appearances in a conference that's no joke. The Jazz look weak now for sure. However, they have proven and accomplished more in the past couple of seasons than the Mavs, Kings, T-Wolves, Nuggets, and Lakers combined. It could end up an awful year for the Jazz, no one can say with certainty. If so, what a bummer. Mitchell and Gobert are great to have. Ingles too. The obvious issue is Rubio coming back significantly slower and with no additions to his offensive skill-set and flat sucking overall. At least an awful season will net a lottery pick! Most basketball folk were predicting the Jazz to have a very strong team heading into the season...
Mavs and Kings are around .500 about 1/4 of the way into the season. I hope they have good seasons; it'd be refreshing to see them in the mix. If they're lucky they might be able to achieve something close to what the Jazz have done the past couple years...
I'm quite proud of D-Rose for finally working on his skills and improving his ability to shoot and play team basketball. Consider me a fan. That's props to him for humbling himself and recognizing what he needed to do to be an effective player on the basketball court. T-Wolves are 8-11. But let's face it, D-Rose ain't giving his all and changing himself in the slightest to play for the Utah Jazz, everyone knows the deal, just like a girl carrying on and partying with D-Rose and his crew knows she will have intercourse with all of them. This is life. Of course it'd be great to have this year's D-Rose on the Jazz.
I think it's just tough to win the NBA no matter. Who consistently dominates these days? Lebron James and the Warriors. Thunder had a great run with superstars Durant and Westbrook. How would you classify the Spurs consistent success?
Don't disagree with any of this. Had Duncan, a top pick, generational talent. Then they had a great team of players during the era where they sliced through the big 3. Leonard became a top five player in the league. LMA had a monster year last season and is underrated I agree, and they fared no better than the Jazz. Realize they are the anomaly. They are the team consistently referenced because no other organization has been able to replicate that sort of thing. It is tough to do that in the NBA.
I don't usually do this...
I haven't read this thread. That said, I think we were all VERY excited going into the season thinking the team we have right now was going to be pretty damn good.
I haven't given up on that yet.
I haven't read this thread. That said, I think we were all VERY excited going into the season thinking the team we have right now was going to be pretty damn good.
I haven't given up on that yet.
I agree that recent Jazz teams are different than a team like the Thunder or a Lebron led team, in that their talent is spread more evenly across the board. There isn't one guy who carries an excessively inordinate amount of talent compared to some of the other guys. And when they had guys injured in the past it was worse than for some other teams (unless their stars were injured) because their average rotation guy was typically more talented than another team's rotation guy. But they had a relatively high sum of talent the past couple seasons, which allowed to perform as they did. I see what you're sayin.
jom2003
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Long term damaging contracts only hurts the Jazz's future cap flexibility, which means absolute NOTHING to a team that doesn't do crap in the free agencies market anyways. He'll just continue to use those extra spaces to overpay players like Dante, Favors and Neto(yep, he got paid more than actual NBA players such as Napier, Vonleh and Stauskas this year, all which can help this Jazz team right now).
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Utesnjazz
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Good thread. Lindsey isn’t the worst and he’s not the best GM. I think why so many are frustrated is because so many people in the Utah media act like Dennis is perfect and walks on water. Dennis has two solid picks but beyond that is been very average. He totally botched the Milsap and Hayward situations. And while they may not have been totally his fault, the buck needs to stop with him. He has consistantly been conservative. You can’t win a title without taking risk. We know how supportive we all are as a fan base. We deserve better. Lindsey and management need to do better. I am doubting him right now, he needs to spend money and spend it like yesterday. He has to spend money on a max slot this off season or trade for someone ASAP. If not he needs to go.
jom2003
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Thanks to Lindsay, we've got a total of 5 players on this 15-man roster that are not even playable in a NBA game, not even during garbage time. Quin needs to sub them out immediately after just putting them on the floor for like 2 minutes, or risk getting blow out by 50 to teams that probably won't even make it to the playoffs.
Thanks to the genius of Dennis Lindsey, who continues to replace actual NBA players such as Hood and Jerebko, with non NBA players such as Allen and Niang. There are PLENTY OF NBA rotational players selected in the late first round. And the guy's already 23 years old. I wouldn't be surprised to see him battling Jimmer in China next year.
Thanks to the genius of Dennis Lindsey, who continues to replace actual NBA players such as Hood and Jerebko, with non NBA players such as Allen and Niang. There are PLENTY OF NBA rotational players selected in the late first round. And the guy's already 23 years old. I wouldn't be surprised to see him battling Jimmer in China next year.
sahlensguy
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The Spurs have had elite talent during their run mixed with solid role players.
Outside of maybe Gobert, there has been no elite talent here during the Lindsey era.
Yes it's difficult to stay on top in the league even with elite talent, as there is much to go around, but to expect much from the Jazz with this group wasn't being realistic. Greatness just isn't here.
Miggs
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Clearly.
I mean, imagine where we’d be with the services of Harrison Barnes right now. We clearly missed out.
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I agree. Again, we’re talking about Lebron, the Warriors, and the Spurs. That’s it.
Isn’t it rational for people to expect around 50 wins and the 2nd round of the playoffs like they’ve done the last two seasons? Anyway, still a young season.
Having Barnes wouldn’t be bad at all. Also doesn’t change anything for the better.
Point is it doesn’t ****ing matter either way...
sahlensguy
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Jack Strop
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Good gawd. I've been yelling in the dark way before Gilles brought this up and been blasted for it. The excuse has always been that since Lindsey "found" Mitchell and Gobert he's a great GM. I could bump 10+ posts of mine where I said Lindsey needed to do more or be fired. I'll give Lindsey credit for Mitchell. But Gobert was not his "discovery." It was actually the Jazz' international scout that told Lindsey about Rudy.
Gilles has a point about squandering assets. Lindsey has used FIVE 1st round picks on PG's (two for Burke, Exum, and then trades for Hill and Rubio). I don't fault him for taking Hood. Rodney was clearly BPA. But all that tanking resulted in ONE player we couldn't have drafted otherwise: Exum. He's the sole player Lindsey has for his half-*** approach to tanking. It was a poorly conceived plan. You don't strip the team down for late lottery picks. You go the Philly route. Or at least trade players as they reach the end of their contracts if they're not in the plans moving forward.
And to judge prospects based on balance tests? Lindsey has to be the laughing stock among GM's for that approach. Lindsey needs to do something at the deadline or this summer or be fired, IMO. He used to talk about having "financial flexibility" so the Jazz could be players in free agency, then he'd fail to sign anyone because the prices were too high. Even Hayward's final season, it was JJ's agent who contacted Dennis. And knowing Gordon was a free agent and he needed to "sell" him on staying, he trades for Fat Boris. And he botches the Hill trade by not coming to a gentleman's agreement on an extension, wasting a 1st rounder in the ugly mess when Hill leaves.
Gilles has a point about squandering assets. Lindsey has used FIVE 1st round picks on PG's (two for Burke, Exum, and then trades for Hill and Rubio). I don't fault him for taking Hood. Rodney was clearly BPA. But all that tanking resulted in ONE player we couldn't have drafted otherwise: Exum. He's the sole player Lindsey has for his half-*** approach to tanking. It was a poorly conceived plan. You don't strip the team down for late lottery picks. You go the Philly route. Or at least trade players as they reach the end of their contracts if they're not in the plans moving forward.
And to judge prospects based on balance tests? Lindsey has to be the laughing stock among GM's for that approach. Lindsey needs to do something at the deadline or this summer or be fired, IMO. He used to talk about having "financial flexibility" so the Jazz could be players in free agency, then he'd fail to sign anyone because the prices were too high. Even Hayward's final season, it was JJ's agent who contacted Dennis. And knowing Gordon was a free agent and he needed to "sell" him on staying, he trades for Fat Boris. And he botches the Hill trade by not coming to a gentleman's agreement on an extension, wasting a 1st rounder in the ugly mess when Hill leaves.
The Fresh Prince
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Karl Malone was a child molester/stagetory rapist and we let him play here for 19 years my guy. Wtf is your point?
Answers like that give me a headache bro. Without Malone the Jazz would not be in Utah. Lets just be a hypocrite because allegedly D Rose liked to run trains on grown women instead of finding an attraction in women 7 years younger than his senior.
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David Ginola 14
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I did not know JJ's situation, are there any links confirming that it was Johnson's agent calling our GM?
Most of these complaints boil down to a frustration with Lindsay’s conservative nature. Some prefer a riskier style, which is completely understandable. But then isn’t it rather misguided to focus pitchforks on Dennis when it is ownership who vetted candidates and picked a GM with the attributes they desired? That is the root.
Philadelphia is often referenced these days as being in a position many here desire, but it is rather clear that Jazz ownership was and is not willing to do what they have done to get where they are today. Philly has yet to surpass the on-court results of the Jazz, though things certainly appear better for them moving forward by having Embiid and Simmons. Those guys are quite good.
Not all picks have been thrown away in the minds of the Jazz. They were used to bring in players who contributed to fielding competitive teams.
Ultimately, none of this matters personally cuz I just love the team that I’ve liked from childhood. That is why I like the teams I like. Other people like teams based on the team-building philosophies of the ownership.
Philadelphia is often referenced these days as being in a position many here desire, but it is rather clear that Jazz ownership was and is not willing to do what they have done to get where they are today. Philly has yet to surpass the on-court results of the Jazz, though things certainly appear better for them moving forward by having Embiid and Simmons. Those guys are quite good.
Not all picks have been thrown away in the minds of the Jazz. They were used to bring in players who contributed to fielding competitive teams.
Ultimately, none of this matters personally cuz I just love the team that I’ve liked from childhood. That is why I like the teams I like. Other people like teams based on the team-building philosophies of the ownership.