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Lindsey is a far more wasteful GM than ppl want to admit. It's time for a change.

The biggest issue I’ve had with him is the cake baking year... we sat on cap space and watched the guys we want now (Middleton and Harris) sign deals at much less than their max... because cake baking. I was on that corner during all of free agency so it is not hindsight. The rest of his conservative moves were Hayward motivated and that was his issue. I figured the Ricky deal meant Hayward was for sure coming back... clearly It was not. Letting a free agent determine your moves is not good GMing. Should have had deals ready to go if he signed.

We missed on Niko... we didn’t sign Bjelica... the Exum and favors contracts don’t look great.

Here is the problem we have now... we had to convince free agents this is an attractive destination because we are a more competitive situation. If we don’t start winning then our cap space we’ve hoarded goes to waste. I don’t think we make the playoffs without reconfiguring the roster.

Dm and Ingles both have injuries that will hamper them for a while unless they sit. West is even more competitive this year... our December schedule will put us in a hole that will be tough to climb out of. We will be 8-9 games under .500 but this year we won’t be able to go 29-6 down the stretch.

We in a tough spot... DL will have some explaining to do if we just keep the band together then can’t get anything done in FA.
 
Gilles de Rais said:
I don't actually buy that many common fans root for their teams, I believe a considerable % of them they root for themselves, they root for their feelings, and don't wanna admit it. Surely this site got plenty of people who advocate for the team to cut off its nose to spite its face..

People dont buy tickets to see the team play, they buy tickets to see the team win.... It's an old saying... Thats how it is...

those fans buying tickets are mostly just trying to exchange their $$$ for instant-gratification.


and when the teams lose, thats when the true colors behin to fly, people act like their entitled to be jerks if they lose as a method to extract value for their dollars spent..

I agree with Kevin Durants comments about the fan he got fined over

"What kind of grown man comes to a game to heckle another grown man?"


This is why I don't buy any memorbelia, i'm not financially invested. Marketing is one of the many chefs that spoiled Utahs stew.

Call me a jerk, whatever, just don't call me fooled, cuz I never was. Growing up a Knicks fan I observed pretty much all forms of self-sabotage, I can spot this **** quicker than most.
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So let's live in the real world then and stop acting like DL could trade Hayward at his absolute peak with the team getting over 50 wins. These 90% "instant gratification" fans are paying the salaries of these players. They would react violently to trading Hayward for a lottery pick, passing on next years season tickets. Players wouldn't understand it either, Gobert might demand a trade and those never get you fair returns. Players can screw a franchise over and there's not a damn thing a GM can do about it, if you can't admit that, you're living in video game world.
 
Current situation is Coach case. Quin should've ordered spacing after a month ago. Sac's game was a redemption gamę. Let's take on Indy.
 
Gilles de Rais said:
Could Utah really afford to let players like Millsap and Hayward walk? I always said no to me here in 2018-2019 we're starting to see the proof...

Sacrifices were made in order to keep weak *** playoff dreams alive, the appeasement of Hayward still reverberates thru this team....
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It's hard to take you seriously when you can't even stay consistent within your own post.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The biggest issue I’ve had with him is the cake baking year... we sat on cap space and watched the guys we want now (Middleton and Harris) sign deals at much less than their max... because cake baking. I was on that corner during all of free agency so it is not hindsight. The rest of his conservative moves were Hayward motivated and that was his issue. I figured the Ricky deal meant Hayward was for sure coming back... clearly It was not. Letting a free agent determine your moves is not good GMing. Should have had deals ready to go if he signed.

We missed on Niko... we didn’t sign Bjelica... the Exum and favors contracts don’t look great.

Here is the problem we have now... we had to convince free agents this is an attractive destination because we are a more competitive situation. If we don’t start winning then our cap space we’ve hoarded goes to waste. I don’t think we make the playoffs without reconfiguring the roster.

Dm and Ingles both have injuries that will hamper them for a while unless they sit. West is even more competitive this year... our December schedule will put us in a hole that will be tough to climb out of. We will be 8-9 games under .500 but this year we won’t be able to go 29-6 down the stretch.

We in a tough spot... DL will have some explaining to do if we just keep the band together then can’t get anything done in FA.
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Skimmed it quickly but I pretty much fully agree.

Knowing this, if we miss out on tier one and two free agents, who are guys around 23-26 years old who maybe could be late bloomers and/or be greater here with a fresh start (and better coaching), ala Niko in NO?
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Skimmed it quickly but I pretty much fully agree.

Knowing this, if we miss out on tier one and two free agents, who are guys around 23-26 years old who maybe could be late bloomers and/or be greater here with a fresh start (and better coaching), ala Niko in NO?
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Bobby Portis comes to mind. He is long, athletic, can stretch the floor, is young and could maybe develop into a semi-stud. At only 23 years old and with our staff, I see a ton of upside.

Plus he punched his own teammate which means he’s got some nasty.

Thoughts? I mean, I knows he’s a RFA but are they gonna throw him a ton since they have Lauri?
 
After the obvious Middletons of the world, none of whom I think we can get, I really like the idea of Brogdon or Portis.
 
sahlensguy said:
Lindsey built the Jazz to give the Warriors fits, when the Jazz were running on all cylinders. Slow pace, funnel offenses into Rudy, blender offense to get open shots.

Lindsey neglected to get scorers.

Now we can't score, and Lindsey also didn't get athlete's to run a higher pace or take the defensive burden off of Rudy.

He left this team flat footed in an evolving league. Lindsey is a dinosaur.
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Lindsey is a GM of a small market team in a league that refuses to allow teams to operate at a profit high enough in the good years to justify cushioning the bad. Utah operates on such a slim margins that it hamstrings any GM.

Utah was limited to something like 16 million in profit from the old revenue sharing model. They have to operate lean and accumulate for several seasons just to attempt to absorb massive, multi-season LT loss.

Plus, tell anyone with a billion dollar franchise that their ROI is less than a CD from one of their credit union sponsors. Completely stupid financial decision, made for the greater reason of keeping Utah Jazz in Utah. Deal with it or find a large market team to cheer for because that is the reality of the situation.
 
Gilles de Rais said:
c'mon now, this is some ********. Lets be real here. People were unanimously CONVINCED here that Harrison Barnes contract would be an albatross, and clearly its not and has never been for the Mavs. The # doesn't even look that big compared to the recent contracts..

Everyone was so busy trying to drum up "Hayward is worth the max" that they looked at a solid *** player like Barnes and projected their UNWARRANTED FEARS upon him.
Thats how it happened, even the ****ing biggest moron in those threads @Wes Mantooth know this.


They signed Boris Diaw and Joe Johnson for the same $$$$$... Totally not what they needed, they needed to be CONSTANTLY SNOWBALLING ASSETS EVERYWHERE, EVERY ROSTER SPOT THEY COULD...
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Utah fans didnt want to take a risk on Haywood at more than $11,000,000 during his first max negotiations.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
Lindsey is a GM of a small market team in a league that refuses to allow teams to operate at a profit high enough in the good years to justify cushioning the bad. Utah operates on such a slim margins that it hamstrings any GM.

Utah was limited to something like 16 million in profit from the old revenue sharing model. They have to operate lean and accumulate for several seasons just to attempt to absorb massive, multi-season LT loss.

Plus, tell anyone with a billion dollar franchise that their ROI is less than a CD from one of their credit union sponsors. Completely stupid financial decision, made for the greater reason of keeping Utah Jazz in Utah. Deal with it or find a large market team to cheer for because that is the reality of the situation.
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The Jazz are worth a record $1.2 billion with $221 million in revenue, according to the latest annual report. Up 32% from last year.

So, yes, that is below the average team's worth — now a record $1.65 billion. But it’s not a bad return on investment of the $22 million that Larry H. Miller paid for out.

No guts, no glory.
 
sahlensguy said:
The Jazz are worth a record $1.2 billion with $221 million in revenue, according to the latest annual report. Up 32% from last year.

So, yes, that is below the average team's worth — now a record $1.65 billion. But it’s not a bad return on investment of the $22 million that Larry H. Miller paid for out.

No guts, no glory.
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You are correct. Paper value growth has obviously paid off. That growth does nothing for the accountants and other employees paying the Bill's. Utah Jazz cannot operate for years at a loss because they have paper value. So you sahlensguy, as a business owners managing the revenue and bills, what would you decide?
 
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