Lockout!!!

[kabenac]

One positive: the D-League will not be affected by the lockout:

https://www.ridiculousupside.com/2011/6/30/2251814/nba-lockout-news-update-d-league

So it looks like Burks & Kanter will have something to do...

 

[The-Joker]

must be a joke

I wish, the truth of the matter is... no 2011-12 season is a very real and likely possibility

 

[SojoDave]

I am rooting for the "franchises tag" to come out of the new agreement. It's not good for the NBA for teams to be decimated by free agents walking with nothing in return. I wish they would come up with a hard cap so billionaires can't kill teams like the Jazz.

 

[colton]

that actually happened in the NFL. their union leader agreed to lower his salary to $1 during the lockout as a show of solidarity and shared urgency. shane battier asked billy hunter if he planned to do the same and hunter apparently squirmed and dodged the question.

Yes, I know. But that's why I said BOTH sides.

 

[colton]

so when will it be clear , how long will the lockout last?

It won't be clear for some time, unfortunately. Probably not until a week before it ends, whenever that may be. Right now the most likely scenarios seem to be:

a) they get things agreed on before the season starts, and have a full season (I'm still hoping for this, myself)
b) they get things agreed on in November/December, after the players start missing paychecks, and have a partial season starting in Dec/Jan (most people in the know think this is the most likely scenario)
c) they miss the whole season

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

Are you sure it's true? Does it mean that players get bonuses somehow on top of their contract salaries? Link?

It's not a bonus, contracts are usually over 57% of the total BRI. The NBA holds onto 8% of players salary until August. They then disperse a portion of that so that the final outcome is 57%. Players are rarely paid EXACTLY what is outlined in their contract, but it will be really close. I pasted a portion of the CBA taken from the link.

https://www.insidehoops.com/nba-collective-bargaining-agreement.shtml

A. Escrow Level

The escrow level will be 57% (same as the 2004-05 season). This percentage will be guaranteed to the players, so that if total player costs before deducting escrow monies from the players are less than 57% of BRI, the difference will be paid by the league to the players. (In the event BRI for any season is more than 30% above the BRI level for 2004-05, the escrow level will increase to 57½% for that season and subsequent seasons).
The maximum percentage of player salaries and benefits that can be withheld from the players for purposes of meeting the 57% escrow level will be: 10% in year 1; 9% in years 2 – 5; and 8% in year 6 (and 8% in the option year, if exercised). The previous escrow withholding limit was 10%.

 

[LogGrad98]

Clearly you hate mom, baseball, and apple pie.

Baseball yes, it really isn't a sport. The others I am ok with.

 

[colton]

I am rooting for the "franchises tag" to come out of the new agreement. It's not good for the NBA for teams to be decimated by free agents walking with nothing in return. I wish they would come up with a hard cap so billionaires can't kill teams like the Jazz.

I think a soft -- but harder -- cap would be fine. Like have:

a) a luxury tax level like now, where owners pay a 1:1 penalty on each dollar spent over this level. Make this at $55 million, perhaps.
b) a double luxury tax level, where owners pay a 2:1 penalty on each dollar spent over this level. Make this at $60 million, perhaps
c) a quadruple luxury tax level, where owners pay a 4:1 penalty on each dollar spent over this level. Make this at $65 million, perhaps.

You get the idea.

I would think even the Lakers would think twice about spending $90 million in player salaries if they actually had to pay $205 million to get there. (205 = 55 + 5x2 + 5x3 + 25x5)

I haven't heard anyone suggest this idea yet, but it seems like a very good one to me.

 

[LogGrad98]

Great! Just great! Now I can't have my nachos, large coke and pretzel for $18.95.

Come over to my house twice a week and I will sell you exactly that. I will even throw in a DVD of some Jazz games on my 65" plasma. Be just like being at the game.

 

[LogGrad98]

there are several problems with your logic. i can argue the players' side of this argument, too, but the way you get there has some logical flaws.

the owners have created a business that allows guys to get filthy stinkin' rich for playing basketball, but under the current system, THEY take all the financial risks. the players right now are GUARANTEED 57% of BRI minus certain costs, or around $2 billion... no risk involved there. they show up, they get a paycheck.

the owners, on the other hand, assume all the risks of running the business, which is why many of them lose money and a few of them lose boatloads of money. some are billionaire playboys who are fine losing the money because their team is just a high-priced toy they like to entertain themselves with. but others are serious businessmen who accept tons of risk and loss just to be kingmakers for a bunch of spoiled kids. so the players are just as much at fault here... they're failing to compromise so that they can make $2.1 billion instead of $1.9 billion at the expense of owners who have invested in creating a machine that makes them uber-rich. and if you think creating an NBA where players can make that kind of money is easy, talk to someone who has played ball in europe.

like i said, that's just one side of the argument, and i can articulate and sympathize with both sides...i just think you're oversimplifying.

This part isn't even true all the time. They don't have to show up to get their check.

 

[carolinajazz]

That's not to say that the players have bent far enough... but

.....when they finally reach the bar of soap.....the owners will let them play again???

 

[carolinajazz]

The NBA Players are whining because they don't want to have their salaries cut, the teams are whining because they would actually like to make SOME money.

I'm siding with the NBA on this one.

...me too!

 

[carolinajazz]

so when will it be clear , how long will the lockout last?

...latest Danny Sheridan odds? 75% it last a WHOLE YEAR!

 

[carolinajazz]

I say we slowly upload old playoff games for the Jazz until the lockout ends in a feeble attempt to keep us entertained.

...EXCELLENT idea! I'm still wanting to buy the Jazz vs. Golden State semi's DVD when the contrast of styles (hip hop vs. team play) was clearly on display for all to see!

 

[carolinajazz]

Is there an accountant in the house that can translate this: https://deadspin.com/5816870/

...I understood it perfectly well! I am now on the players side. NOT!!!

 

[cowhide]

I don't support either side. Yes both sides have valid arguments but in the end I don't get to see NBA basketball (the Jazz). The players and owners can be selfish so can I. Screw both of them.

 

[Wolverine Newby]

I am in total agreement with Alaskan Assassin. And he sounds super smart.

 

[TroutBum]

I am in total agreement with Alaskan Assassin. And he sounds super smart. (I miss you sweety, are you coming over for the 4th? Love, Mom)

That's so cute.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I strongly suspect the other thing they're doing is counting depreciation of some fixed assets. For example, many NBA teams have an ownership stake in the building they play in. I wouldn't be shocked at all if they're counting the amount that the physical building decreases in value each year as an operating loss while not counting in other revenues the building creates (concerts, Disney events, rodeos, Monster Trucks, etc etc).

It seems/seemed REALLY fishy for a system built on being flexible based on income (BRI) to get so out of wack that far more than half the teams lost money last year.

I hate rich people. The end.

 

[Shad]

Good bye 2011 season and thank you for making the old teams get even older while we didn't have to watch our team get smashed by them.