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I have been seen, fleetingly but on numerous occasions, discussing religion and science. Here is the case for "Theosophy". Believe it or not, I had read a book on Theosophy before I developed any inkling of contempt for anything humanly believed.

THEOSOPHY, n. An ancient faith having all the certitude of religion and all the mystery of science. The modern Theosophist holds, with the Buddhists, that we live an incalculable number of times on this earth, in as many several bodies, because one life is not long enough for our complete spiritual development; that is, a single lifetime does not suffice for us to become as wise and good as we choose to wish to become. To be absolutely wise and good — that is perfection; and the Theosophist is so keen-sighted as to have observed that everything desirous of improvement eventually attains perfection. Less competent observers are disposed to except cats, which seem neither wiser nor better than they were last year. The greatest and fattest of recent Theosophists was the late Madame Blavatsky, who had no cat.
https://www.thedevilsdictionary.com/?t=#
 
I have been seen, fleetingly but on numerous occasions, discussing religion and science. Here is the case for "Theosophy". Believe it or not, I had read a book on Theosophy before I developed any inkling of contempt for anything humanly believed.

https://www.thedevilsdictionary.com/?t=#

The human mind, as the consequence of thousands of contrary impulses or considerations, is perhaps a proof of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, which is ordinarily only applied to physical phenomena. Describing an interrelationship between opposite characteristics, saying the more accurately you can know one thing, the less you can know what it is.

We turn to religion for certitude, and to science for mystery. But practically-speaking, we get mystery in applying religion, and more questions in applying science.
 
Those who brandish science as fact are religious in the application of it, and religionists who brandish religion as faith, are ungodly practitioners of the gentle arts of uncertainty which faith inculcates.
 
Stat Stamp

Once in a while, I review the stats in the "community" "members" list. Mostly when I'm worn out and need to rest, and come in here to do it.

So I'm ranked #30 in rep, #35 in post count. In the latter respect, I'm closing in on two others within the next hundred posts or so. Dr. Jones/PKM is just under 52000 in posts, and immeasurable rep. One thing I wouldn't do right now is hold a shark by the tail next to my bare legs, though.
 
Lots of stuff on the radio about man-caused climate change because it's finally rained in Texas. Supposedly some presidential candidate is supposed to admit that the floods of 2015 require us to enrich Al Gore's Carbon Credit enterprise. The old coal money just doesn't fill his pockets enough, now he wants to earn handsome profits from exchanging a currency he invented, as he views it, called "carbon credits". And he wants the government to mandate we all patronize his enterprise, and pay more for electricity, or stop using it. or something. So, anyway, folks, we have had some persistent weather patterns lately. And we have a sorta weak El Nino in the Pacific west of Mexico, and a moist air flow coming off of it and mixing with some cool air coming down from Canada over Texas. Whoopee. The damn drought is breaking, finally, even in northern California. SoCal will likely have some rain this summer, too. Maybe a hurricane even coming onshore in Orange County.

wait for it.
 
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This is a big part of what drives me nuts about the whole man-made global warming/climate change thing, is the stuff they come up with to line certain pockets that realistically have no impact on the supposed "problem" at all. So Al Gore flies around in a private jet and keeps 3 residences in full readiness, but he makes the right speeches and pays the right people so he suddenly is ok to spew tons and tons of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. I call ******** on that.
 
Those who brandish science as fact are religious in the application of it, and religionists who brandish religion as faith, are ungodly practitioners of the gentle arts of uncertainty which faith inculcates.

logically, this barbed view would have God being the most uncertain, or most confused, observer of Truth. Humility is allegedly a godly virtue. . . . long-suffering endurance is allegedly also a godly virtue, as is doing what your wife tells you do on Monday morning. Go take out the trash, hon.

Only a random sampling of the illogical nest of values we can call "religion".
 
logically, this barbed view would have God being the most uncertain, or most confused, observer of Truth. Humility is allegedly a godly virtue. . . . long-suffering endurance is allegedly also a godly virtue, as is doing what your wife tells you do on Monday morning. Go take out the trash, hon.

Only a random sampling of the illogical nest of values we can call "religion".

"Brandishing religion" is something only the truly contrite can do with smug self-confidence. You might think this is a bad joke, but I'm serious. It goes beyond the simple stupidity of the unthinking religious professors. To truly make a sword of truth of your belief/conviction, you sorta need to know how to use the weapon effectively.

effectively asserting a religious principle or belief requires you to know the difference between ungodly power, or force, and the power to communicate a truth to someone who is reasonably interested in it. "Casting pearls before swine" is a harsh metaphor, perhaps, but certainly a person who really doesn't care to listen is not going to be willing to let you twist his arm, or his mind, and let you drag him over to the horse trough and let you make him drink.
Nice wisdom in a lot of little clichés. You can lead a horse to water. . . perhaps. . . . but you can't make him drink.

Organized religion, particularly statist religions, routinely depart from this wisdom and attempt to impose "religion" on the citizenry. Marxism is perhaps the worst offender in human history on this count, whatever it is you think it is or ought to be, it incorporates within its dictums the assertion that it must win politically, and defines as virtue any stratagem deemed helpful to that quest, and is willing nay eager to destroy the "unbeliever" or noncompliant from the living world.

The charm with some of the old religions lies in the open invitation to seek a higher "wisdom" of some kind, together with a principle of tolerance for others and even an implied duty to serve others unselfishly.

The question has arisen in this forum of what it takes to be a "holy" man. Well, if you are defending someone less able with a sword, putting your life on the line, you could be holy, perhaps, but I think you would sorta need to be one who hopes to deflect the necessity of injuring anyone, if realistic enough to act decisively nevertheless if there is no such possibility. Or, you could be someone with any of a number of other virtues standing out in an appropriate time and place, doing what can be most helpful for others. In either case, it involves a capacity to subordinate "self" according to some appropriate principle of goodness.

Gandhi, though a sort of "Marxist", chose to still hold on the good of his Moslem, Hindu, and Christian associations, and applied the good principles, putting himself on the same ground as those he sought to serve. A lot of his political ideas reflected some modern idealisms marginally resorted to in Marxist propaganda. . . . but Gandhi was honest, and he really meant to relieve the people of India from an oppressive colonial captivity. He chose a principle of non-violence that required a willingness to stand for what is right, taking a sort of moral high ground, and just absorbing and making bad publicity of the proffered abuses of authorities. He used it, effectively, to convince the populace in general of the wrongness of the colonial authority. Without a public willing to believe in that authority, the British effectively lost influence and the ability to rule.
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Gandhi was one of the few who has effectively "brandished religion". He did it with sublime humility.
 
Lots of stuff on the radio about man-caused climate change because it's finally rained in Texas. Supposedly some presidential candidate is supposed to admit that the floods of 2015 require us to enrich Al Gore's Carbon Credit enterprise. The old coal money just doesn't fill his pockets enough, now he wants to earn handsome profits from exchanging a currency he invented, as he views it, called "carbon credits". And he wants the government to mandate we all patronize his enterprise, and pay more for electricity, or stop using it. or something. So, anyway, folks, we have had some persistent weather patterns lately. And we have a sorta weak El Nino in the Pacific west of Mexico, and a moist air flow coming off of it and mixing with some cool air coming down from Canada over Texas. Whoopee. The damn drought is breaking, finally, even in northern California. SoCal will likely have some rain this summer, too. Maybe a hurricane even coming onshore in Orange County.

wait for it.

Since I posted this, one hurricane moved north along the western coast of Mexico a little past Cabo San Lucas, into the Sea of Cortez/Gulf of California. It was degraded from Hurricane strength, but the remnats moved on up to near Yuma, AZ/Mexicali, CA. It split, with a large component of the moisture moving up the Pacific coast, giving rain in SoCal all the way up to San Francisco. Part of that moisture then moved eastward towards my ranch, where I had 0.70 inches of rain. June is on average about the third wettest month of the year for me, with the occasional heavy rain from a monsoon-like storm like this.

Another hurricane was moving up the same track again this week, but it dissipated well south of Cabo San Lucas. The remnant moisture is believed headed further north and west, but it is a very small storm.
 
Last night on my drive, I was able to listen to Joni on the radio, as she told about how colds or congestion present a special challenge to her. She cannot cough, and it can be a serious thing to clear her lungs and throat. She has assistants who are trained to do a modified Heimlich maneuver to assist her.

So, she had a speaking engagement, and after being down for three weeks she was getting better, and she decided to give it a try getting out to speak again. But as she rolled into the auditorium she was having a blob of congestion and couldn't do anything about it. Her assistants did their thing but it was little relief. So she just prayed a silent prayer, The congregation was singing the hymn, and she was to speak right after it. It was an inspirational hymn with a last line that had words that seemed appropriate to her challenge, asserting the Christ is our strength. And something happened that changed the whole issue, a spirit of peace and assurance enveloped her. Somehow, she was able to speak, and somehow it was carried in some remarkable sense to the audience, a real conversion/communication. . . .

This is not unusual, actually, but a sort of norm for people who for whatever reason have had an experience like this. It is what I call "the Testimony of Jesus".

I wouldn't suggest that any self-sufficient and capable person should want to be in such a compromised position that there is nothing left to hope for but the peace and comfort only God can give. But perhaps you have never lived until you have "been there".

When I was 25 I was as compromised physically as she is, paralyzed to the same extent she has been since 1967. For me, it was a few weeks, really, plus being blind for a while as well. But I was blessed with a chance to regain what I lost, though it wasn't an easy road, and it has been years, and even now I have limits I deny. And somehow I just do a lot of stuff I can't explain how.

[video]https://www.joniandfriends.org/television/id-rather-be-wheelchair-knowing-him/

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you should pay close attention to the scenery where you are, whenever traveling in new places. The Jazz will do whatever, you can't change that.
 
I take it that Dr. Jones aka PKM is back from margaritaville or it's equivalent in the keys. . . .

Been talkin' about business in St. George with the Mormons.
 
Well, I heard a guy on talk radio. . . no not a big name talker. . . not Rush, not Hannity, not Dave, not Levin, not Jones, not KMA, not Savage, not . . . . . well, I can't remember who. . . . . talking about how some folks plan to provoke the sleeping rightwingnutwhackjobs into tipping their hand, with a lot of outright inflammatory moves meant to make them mad. Just so, you know, the AI supercomputer can get more data, and anticipate the unpredictable.

now that's just stupid.

management wanting to predict stupidity? They own it.
 
The Definition of Life Version oo.

So "Planned Parenthood" got sorta lax and got outted for supplying human remains. . . well, carefully prepared tissues harvested with the utmost care while still "living", as in carrying on all vital biochemical processes for normal living tissues, and selling them off to "research" institutions, and possibly to medical organ banks, or suppliers to such transplant material.

So a lot of people think sex is great and kids are a drag. Boring.

So some religious folks think all "life" is sacred. Well, they volunteer to tend kids at sunday schools, and smile and show pictures of Jesus with a lot of children around, even though He has no trick toy to amuse them, apparently. I say apparently, because it's not in the painting. Would really degrade and disrespect Jesus if we drew a pic that showed him with strings on his fingers doing inexplicable stuff in front of children. walking on water, calming seas, raising the dead, now that's more dignified.

A lot of people in here expecting to hold religious folks to some kind of logic, or some narrow if not scientifically exact definition of "Life".

Looks like some mods hafta edit opinions that are too clear-cut on this subject.
 
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