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Looking for genuine discourse re: Donald Sterling/NBA

LogGrad98 said:
Setting precedent always changes circumstances. Just because nothing has surfaced does not mean that none of the other owners are not closet racists just one recorded conversation from being exposed. And that is a pretty steep price to pay for your opinion, especially when it was never meant to be publicized.
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I would think all other owners understand what they say can end up in public hands, even when said in private. Look what happened to Romney, for instance.

Again, situation unchanged.
 
I just feel sorry for the people that don't realize that, at the root, this is ALL political manipulation.

1. If the league truly cared, they would have done something about Sterling long ago.
2. If Black people truly cared they wouldn't have been giving Sterling NAACP lifetime achievement awards.
3. If America truly cared, they would be addressing the root causes of the problems facing black people in America, and it has little to do with racism.

The biggest reality is this. To make some manipulated idiots feel good about themselves for a weekend, you have cut off millions in assistance to the black community that Sterling was giving.
Was it akin to blood money? yep.
Is it now gone? you betcha!
Are these moral crusaders going to replace that? not a chance!

Sterling sucks as a person, but at least some amount of good was being extracted from his cheap pompous backside.

And the thing is, Sterling is going to appeal legally AND WIN! There has been no discrimination, no poor treatment of black people, just a private phone message and a media tizzy. He may be the worst kind of person on the inside, but legally and publically he has taken care to be completely above board. That matters, and in reality should be the ONLY THING that matters. People should be allowed to be as crazy as they want in private, as long as it isn't harming anyone else.

But hey, whatever, enjoy your bread and circuses.
 
this has just been a pr stunt by nba. doing damage control and stuff.
hahahaha


so pathetic all these sheep falling for it and celebrating. and get a chance to stand on some high horse
 
DutchJazzer said:
i might be ;) who knows. sometimes men have midlife crisis and turn gay
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The reason this isn't just about free speech is because of how Sterling has treated blacks in the past.
The only "racism" that matters is when it comes out in your behavior towards others.
I know people who express stereotypes about races but when they interact with people of that race they treat them the same as everyone else.
This is not the case with Sterling.

On the other hand...

The mob mentality of this situation is what is scary for America.
How quickly the public mob puts on their hoods and robes and gets ready for livelihood lynch parties.

Then again

I didn't know about his rep but the players and NBA must have known of it, so the lynch mob was warranted although not because of his speech...
 
framer said:
I just feel sorry for the people that don't realize that, at the root, this is ALL political manipulation.

1. If the league truly cared, they would have done something about Sterling long ago.
2. If Black people truly cared they wouldn't have been giving Sterling NAACP lifetime achievement awards.
3. If America truly cared, they would be addressing the root causes of the problems facing black people in America, and it has little to do with racism.

The biggest reality is this. To make some manipulated idiots feel good about themselves for a weekend, you have cut off millions in assistance to the black community that Sterling was giving.
Was it akin to blood money? yep.
Is it now gone? you betcha!
Are these moral crusaders going to replace that? not a chance!

Sterling sucks as a person, but at least some amount of good was being extracted from his cheap pompous backside.

And the thing is, Sterling is going to appeal legally AND WIN! There has been no discrimination, no poor treatment of black people, just a private phone message and a media tizzy. He may be the worst kind of person on the inside, but legally and publically he has taken care to be completely above board. That matters, and in reality should be the ONLY THING that matters. People should be allowed to be as crazy as they want in private, as long as it isn't harming anyone else.

But hey, whatever, enjoy your bread and circuses.
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Some good points except you may not know that he hasn't stayed above board in his public and private treatment of his black players and associates. I didn't.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/29/donald-sterling-racism-history_n_5228992.html?utm_hp_ref=sports
 
PearlWatson said:
Some good points except you may not know that he hasn't stayed above board in his public and private treatment of his black players and associates. I didn't.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/29/donald-sterling-racism-history_n_5228992.html?utm_hp_ref=sports
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Like a lot of Huffington Post articles, long on conjecture and short on details. I'm interested in documented cases of discrimination not butt-hurt Elgin Baylor. I fully believe that Sterling is bad for women and has been guilty of sexual harassment. He has settled cases for that. That isn't what we are discussing here.
As far as outright discrimination, I wouldn't think that lifetime achievement honorees from the NAACP would have a long paper trail of that sort of thing. He was set to get another right before this issue broke. It's interesting how this isn't even mentioned in the HuffPo article.
Again he will challenge and will win. The NBA waaayyyy overplayed their hand here. The biggest issue is that Donald Sterling doesn't care what you or anyone else thinks of him, and he doesn't care that any victory he achieves will be an ugly victory.
Meanwhile:
72 percent of black mothers are unwed
Black males have high school dropout rates of more than 50%.
Although blacks make up just 12% of the general population, they make up nearly 44% of the prison population.
By the time they reach their mid 30's, 6 out of 10 black high school dropouts have spent time in prison.
Of the 16,000 homicides in this country each year, more than half are committed by black men.
A black man is 7 times more likely to commit a murder than a white man and 6 times more likely to be murdered.
Homicide is the #1 cause of death for black men between 15 and 29 years of age.
About 1/3 of the homeless are black men.
Young black men are twice as likely to be unemployed as white men, Hispanic men, or Asian men.

None of this is the fault of Donald Sterling. But if someone isn't ready to face these hard truths and address root causes, then Sterling, or the Trayvon Martin case, or Cliven Bundy make excellent distractions. Also, white people get to feel better about themselves on facebook which seems to be a major driver of social policy these days. . .
 
framer said:
Like a lot of Huffington Post articles, long on conjecture and short on details. I'm interested in documented cases of discrimination not butt-hurt Elgin Baylor. I fully believe that Sterling is bad for women and has been guilty of sexual harassment. He has settled cases for that. That isn't what we are discussing here.
As far as outright discrimination, I wouldn't think that lifetime achievement honorees from the NAACP would have a long paper trail of that sort of thing. He was set to get another right before this issue broke. It's interesting how this isn't even mentioned in the HuffPo article.
Again he will challenge and will win. The NBA waaayyyy overplayed their hand here. The biggest issue is that Donald Sterling doesn't care what you or anyone else thinks of him, and he doesn't care that any victory he achieves will be an ugly victory.
Meanwhile:
72 percent of black mothers are unwed
Black males have high school dropout rates of more than 50%.
Although blacks make up just 12% of the general population, they make up nearly 44% of the prison population.
By the time they reach their mid 30's, 6 out of 10 black high school dropouts have spent time in prison.
Of the 16,000 homicides in this country each year, more than half are committed by black men.
A black man is 7 times more likely to commit a murder than a white man and 6 times more likely to be murdered.
Homicide is the #1 cause of death for black men between 15 and 29 years of age.
About 1/3 of the homeless are black men.
Young black men are twice as likely to be unemployed as white men, Hispanic men, or Asian men.

None of this is the fault of Donald Sterling. But if someone isn't ready to face these hard truths and address root causes, then Sterling, or the Trayvon Martin case, or Cliven Bundy make excellent distractions. Also, white people get to feel better about themselves on facebook which seems to be a major driver of social policy these days. . .
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I can't disagree with you on that...
 
Darkwing Duck said:
I would think all other owners understand what they say can end up in public hands, even when said in private. Look what happened to Romney, for instance.

Again, situation unchanged.
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I would have thought the same of Sterling, yet here we are.
 
I hate the "Well, he's an old man, they're prejudiced, you can't blame him for that" BS. My father (a white man) was born in 1935. A staunch supporter of civil rights, he marched with MLK, got his head cracked open by the Chicago police during a civil rights march in the mid-60s, and spent a little bit of time in jail with Dick Gregory. To excuse Sterling's attitude because of his age is weak and useless.
 
slippery slope...

I think I heard on the radio that Mark Cuban is a little uncomfortable with the idea that an owner could be forced to sell based upon what was said in a secretly recorded private phone conversation.

I also wonder how this might impact ANYONE who is employed in any capacity with the NBA. Shouldn't the NBA be consistent in preventing racist or other insensitive comments from anyone who has an official role withing the league?
 
DutchJazzer said:
ok so a serious question the first amendment only protects you from government prosecution?
because lot of people seem to thnink. tha first amendent only guarantees no gevernment punishment.
pirvate corporations can take it away?
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Yes, the first amendment only protects you from government prosecution, but in the US, only the government hires prosecutors.

How would a private corporation take away free speech? No company can stop you from talking. However, there are consequences to all speech.
 
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